Old Jul 14, 2013, 5:18 am
FlyerTalk Forums Expert How-Tos and Guides
Last edit by: Zorak
Last updated: 03/7/2018

Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
Print Wikipost

DL 747 fleet operation

Old May 15, 2013, 8:53 pm
  #16  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Programs: DL PM 1MM
Posts: 3,431
Originally Posted by Pharaoh
Airfleets shows Delta having 16 active 747s (1 in storage). Is that incorrect?
DAL 10-K:
http://google.brand.edgar-online.com...53fsym%253dDAL

As of Dec 31, 2012, DL reported 16 747-400 aircraft in their fleet.
mnbp is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 9:42 pm
  #17  
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Western Wisconsin
Programs: DL DM, HH Devalued Diamond, Hertz President's Club
Posts: 800
I imagine their 'strategy' is to run them full and when IRROPS happen, do an equipment change to a 777 where distance calls or a 763 for the SEA-XXX flights. Then they have to deal with a few pax they cannot get on that flight with IDB assuming the seven-fours were full to capacity to begin with.
orr333 is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 10:15 pm
  #18  
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Likely being followed...
Programs: DYKWIA Extraordinaire. TrollSlayer Mega Diamond. [insert esoteric sounding status level(s) here]
Posts: 5,240
DTW NRT still shows 747 into August.
Vuelos is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 10:24 pm
  #19  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: HKG
Programs: DL FO, UA, AA, AsiaMiles, SPG, HHonors
Posts: 7,982
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Originally Posted by Seat 1F
....and to further complicate the equation, isn't either SEA-NRT or SEA-HND supposed to go to a 744 as well? That would put addition pressure in the DL 744 fleet. Personally, I think a 744 on SEA to TYO to be overkill given the amount of competition on that route.
SEA-NRT becomes a 747 sometime this fall. I'm already ticketed on it, so I hope this doesn't change.
Me too, mid-July.
HongKonger is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 10:29 pm
  #20  
In memoriam, FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: PIT
Programs: DM life is over 2MM PM now & NW MillionAir Wyndham Rewards Plat -Hotels.com Silver -Accor Silver
Posts: 15,408
Originally Posted by mnbp
Quote:

Dubbed the "Queen of the Skies," the 747 is one of the world's most recognizable aircraft due to the graceful curve of its upper deck.
Just a teeny, tiny tidbit . . .

I was flying to AMS in J a few years ago, sitting next to a deadheading First Officer (co-pilot, not FO), and was telling him a story about something that happened to me on a TPAC flight. He asked me if it was "A Whale". He had to tell me what he meant.

So, I guess the B747 has 2 pet names - maybe more! I guess "Whale" is an industry insider nickname.

Last edited by davetravels; May 15, 2013 at 10:36 pm
davetravels is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 11:23 pm
  #21  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,164
Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Here's one change for you. DTW to NGO will no longer be daily. Beginning October 1, it looks like DTW to NGO will be 4x weekly. Also, that means that NGO to MNL will also go down to 4x weekly.
Often airlines try to cut capacity on a route by down gauging the aircraft rather than cutting the frequency. The theory is that to get business travelers, it's important to offer the route (almost) every day.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old May 15, 2013, 11:39 pm
  #22  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,589
Originally Posted by misterbean
After the announcement of DTW-ICN going to 747 in August, I am wondering how DL is going to utilize their 16 747's...

Right now it's already spread pretty thin..
13 birds are required to maintain the schedule:
  • 7 birds for arrivals/departures in NRT (ATL, JFK, DTW, BKK, TPE, MNL, HNL)
  • 1 bird overnighting in ATL
  • 2 birds for JFK-TLV
  • 2 birds for DTW-NGO-MNL-NGO-DTW
  • 1 bird for HNL-KIX

DL is going to need 2 additional birds for DTW-ICN-DTW, bringing the total to 15/16.

Assuming the spare bird stays at NRT, this means any maintenance schedule must be coordinated to allow the spare bird to reposition, leaving the entire fleet without spares for IRROPS! Does anyone else think this is NUTS?

Looking at the current routes for post DTW-ICN change, all still show 747.

What do you think? Will any routes lose the 747 eventually? The obvious candidates are NRT-BKK and HNL-KIX since they are independent from other routes..

Am I missing something?
Delta said they are going to look at Japan-Beach markets(which means they are going to cut capacity)

Also, It looks to me that, while tight, all the above and SEA-NRT can be done with 16 frames. The changing of the beach markets will likely give Delta the slack needed.

and on final note i wouldn't be counting on the 747 staying on SEA-NRT for long. As soon as they get enough 333s to constantly run SEA-NRT I expect it will go back to it. SEA-TYO is already over served, Delta adding a 747 and a 767 to HND will just make capacity worse.
Dawgfan6291 is online now  
Old May 15, 2013, 11:42 pm
  #23  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 1,589
Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Often airlines try to cut capacity on a route by down gauging the aircraft rather than cutting the frequency. The theory is that to get business travelers, it's important to offer the route (almost) every day.
While true, Delta is basically maxed out for 747/777 capacity. Even with DTW-ICN going to the 747, the 777 utilization was still super high. (to the point of having to move things around to be able to get the 777 hangar time)
Dawgfan6291 is online now  
Old May 15, 2013, 11:46 pm
  #24  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Michigan
Programs: AA EXP(4mm), DL Gold, UA Gold (1mm), HH Diamond, Bonvoy Amb(l/t Titanium). Former EA/PA elite
Posts: 992
Originally Posted by DL2SXM
Here's one change for you. DTW to NGO will no longer be daily. Beginning October 1, it looks like DTW to NGO will be 4x weekly. Also, that means that NGO to MNL will also go down to 4x weekly.
I think the frequency on this route always gets reduced in the winter. I'm not sure if any of the other 744 routes are less than daily to loosen up utilization.
Seat 1F is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 12:08 am
  #25  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,164
Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291
While true, Delta is basically maxed out for 747/777 capacity. Even with DTW-ICN going to the 747, the 777 utilization was still super high. (to the point of having to move things around to be able to get the 777 hangar time)
Those poor 777s are so overworked to keep us happy.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 1:27 am
  #26  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Programs: Delta skymiles DM + 1MM
Posts: 8,144
does a delta 747 have the legs to do jfk to hkg non stop?
DL2SXM is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 1:56 am
  #27  
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Location: Minneapolis: DL DM charter 2.3MM
Programs: A3*Gold, SPG Plat, HyattDiamond, MarriottPP, LHW exAccess, ICI, Raffles Amb, NW PE MM, TWA Gold MM
Posts: 100,164
I think the CX non stops between JFK and HKG are or were 747s, but there might be an extended range version which is different from what DL has.
MSPeconomist is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 2:12 am
  #28  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,117
Originally Posted by indufan
Isn't this the airline catch-22? You gotta maximize the use of a fleet and deal with it if it goes bad. If I am running an airline, I am not sitting 3 or 4 planes around waiting for IROPS. The bad assumption you are making is that the same model of plane must be used to cover for the IROPS. I just flew a 76W DTW-SFO and it was going back to ATL and I wondered how that plane somehow ended up in the places it did.
I generally agree, BUT:

1. This is DL's largest capacity plane. If you have IRROPS you have a ton of people to handle. I know not every flight is full but still. Just for a reference, N661US went MX landing in ATL two days ago, making DL295 ATL-NRT 5 hours late, since the incoming bird was used yesterday. This is not a rare occurance. Today's flight looks like it may be delayed for the same reason.

2. The fleet is spread so thin that if you swap another aircraft type you mess with the whole schedule for days, and since these birds fly far, it's not like DL can do a quick repositioning hop, especially if it's a US-Asia flight.

3. These birds are big and old. I don't know what the maintenance schedule is on them, but I would think you would want more than 1 non-operating bird to allow for a little more flexibility.
misterbean is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 2:25 am
  #29  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 1,797
Originally Posted by misterbean
After the announcement of DTW-ICN going to 747 in August, I am wondering how DL is going to utilize their 16 747's...

Right now it's already spread pretty thin..
13 birds are required to maintain the schedule:
  • 7 birds for arrivals/departures in NRT (ATL, JFK, DTW, BKK, TPE, MNL, HNL)
  • 1 bird overnighting in ATL
  • 2 birds for JFK-TLV
  • 2 birds for DTW-NGO-MNL-NGO-DTW
  • 1 bird for HNL-KIX

DL is going to need 2 additional birds for DTW-ICN-DTW, bringing the total to 15/16.

Assuming the spare bird stays at NRT, this means any maintenance schedule must be coordinated to allow the spare bird to reposition, leaving the entire fleet without spares for IRROPS! Does anyone else think this is NUTS?

Looking at the current routes for post DTW-ICN change, all still show 747.

What do you think? Will any routes lose the 747 eventually? The obvious candidates are NRT-BKK and HNL-KIX since they are independent from other routes..

Am I missing something?
The 747-400 isn't as cost effective as other Jetplanes. Delta will have 717 and 739-900ER coming in but considering Delta has no Dreamliners due in soon and no 747-400 replacements for now, they are going to see serious competition from other carriers on Delta covered routes.

Delta really needs a better international aircraft strategy IMHO.
adamj023 is offline  
Old May 16, 2013, 2:33 am
  #30  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 1,117
Originally Posted by adamj023
The 747-400 isn't as cost effective as other Jetplanes. Delta will have 717 and 739-900ER coming in but considering Delta has no Dreamliners due in soon and no 747-400 replacements for now, they are going to see serious competition from other carriers on Delta covered routes.

Delta really needs a better international aircraft strategy IMHO.
With the exception of the cost-effectiveness, I don't agree with anything you said.

I think pax love the 747 and I don't think people will choose other airlines just because DL is using a 747 on that route. Even though they are old, they are well-maintained and run quite well.

I also don't think DL's strategy is a problem. The mods on the int'l fleet takes time, and until they get the 763 and the 333 finished we will see equipment changes in weird places and times.
This discussion is about how and why DL is allocating 747's to so many routes, seemingly without the ability to operate them all, or to do so with extremely little breathing room.
misterbean is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Manage Preferences - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

This site is owned, operated, and maintained by MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Designated trademarks are the property of their respective owners.