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Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
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Old May 21, 2013, 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/130531.pdf

The USA would like to have Open Skies and Delta would be in the running for a JFK to HKG route possibly, but to date, there has been no approval on such between the two nations and it seems unlikely at this point in time.

Some countries are freely open and receptive to other carriers but Hong Kong which is now part of China is not. The link i posted was for the existing agreement in place.
so, why can't DL just transfer the DTW route to JFK?
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Old May 21, 2013, 7:25 pm
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Originally Posted by DL2SXM
so, why can't DL just transfer the DTW route to JFK?
If it requires approval of the government of Hong Kong or China, they will likely resist allowing another airline to compete directly with CX on a prominent and profitable route. DL would have a much better chance trying to transfer the DTW-HKG slot to ATL-HKG, assuming that they want to serve HKG nonstop TPAC and don't want to resume DTW-HKG. Of course, MSP-HKG would be nice, but realistically I don't expect this to happen. There might be a better chance of SEA-HKG although again this would almost directly compete with the CX YVR-HKG route, which again the government would like to protect.
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Old May 21, 2013, 7:32 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
IIRC the 747-200s did get the WBC angled flat shell seats just like the A330s have. (Does anyone remember for sure?) They're not flat beds, but they're not so old generation that they couldn't be used if in good condition. They'd be much better than the PMDL nonreconfigured 767-300 interiors, especially if they were given a good cleaning.
Yep you're correct. I looked up some old pictures I took of my flights and on the -200 I was in a window WBC with angled flat shell seat
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Old May 22, 2013, 3:23 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Some of Delta's oldest are leases and I wonder how long they have left on them or if they are being leased on a monthly bases or if there is a special arrangement because they were Ex Northwest planes or due to bankruptcy court rulings.
The planes on capital leases probably have low buy-out prices and could end up owned by DL. The planes on operating leases probably can be retained at a very low price, since the only options the leasing company would have if DL returned them is to sell them or spend the money to convert them to freighters to get a better lease price.

I do hope that if they continue to utilize the oldest 747-400's they do intense checks on these.
You don't have to hope. The FAA mandates the aircraft maintenance check cycle. D-Checks on a 744 are expensive, and DL will have to determine how cost effective it is to do the next scheduled D-Check on these airplanes. If they choose not to, they will have to retire the airplanes as they come due.

Regardless, all airlines manage their finances very carefully. DL probably already has a plan around the ultimate replacement of their 744 fleet, taking into account both near-term costs and long-term costs.
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Old May 22, 2013, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Delta kept their 747-200's for 32 years before phasing them out.
I'm not sure what you mean. DL never flew passenger 747-200s. They flew 747-100s for a few years in the early 1970s, and then inherited NW's 747-200F air freight fleet which they very quickly phased out.

NW's 747-200s were delivered from 1971 through 1986. All were phased out by 2009.

A major interior mod probably means DL plans to keep the 744s for at least 5 more years. I expect DL will start phasing out the 744s later in this decade, and phase them out over a period of several years.

My gut feel is DL decided the economics of leased and owned 744s, combined with their management of fuel and maintenance costs, allowed them to defer a 744 replacement until later this decade. This led to the refurbishment.

As for what replaces the 744, I see several options for DL: 777-9Xs, 777-300ERs, or Airbus A350-1000s. The needed delivery timing will be ideal for either of the new aircraft, but DL could get a good deal on the 77W once the 777X orders start rolling in, like they did on the 737-900ER.
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Old May 22, 2013, 5:44 pm
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This is similar to the strategy NW and then DL have used with narrow body aircraft like the DC-9s. Keep and buy cheaply used, then hope that the lower capital costs make up for their higher fuel costs.
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Old May 23, 2013, 5:09 pm
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Originally Posted by AdamDunn32
They are swapping with 744 on DTWNRT for a 777, the same 777 that was on DTWICN. Not sure if it's formally been announced but this is what I am hearing.

16 active during summer. After summer 1-2 in maintenance.
So this can be seen now. Not an exact swap though - looks like they will be rotating equipment in and out from a few different routes. 8/21 shows DTWNRT on a 744 with 8/22 on a 777

I'm sure there are a few other 744 routes that will see this equipment rotation as well.
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Old Jun 1, 2013, 8:12 am
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Resurrecting as it's 6/1..

SEA-NRT-PVG-NRT-SEA is now 747 daily. This brings NRT 747 ops to 9 daily departures/arrivals (SEA,JFK,ATL,DTW,MNL,PVG,BKK,TPE,HNL) with no spare aircraft, since N661US is (still!) in ATL AFAIK, flightaware shows no activity in >2 weeks.

Does anybody know what's happening with it??

DL needs it for sure by 7/27 when NRT-HNL gets another daily 747, as the rest of the fleet is already utilized daily (9 ex-NRT, 1 overnight in ATL, 2 TLV, 2 MNL-NGO-DTW, 1 HNL-KIX).
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Old Jun 1, 2013, 10:42 am
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Flew thru atl and the 747 was minus one engine.
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 2:18 am
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N661US is back! It took 3 weeks to fix.
Flew DL295 ATL-NRT, just a littttle behind schedule.

Now DL's 747 fleet is fully operational, with 1 spare bird in ATL (will almost certainly reposition at some point this month or early July to NRT).
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 5:39 am
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Geez, 3 weeks... Sounds like they might've performed a C-Check while the bird was in for repairs as well?
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Originally Posted by MW147
I am pretty sure that when CX started the JFK-HKG nonstop, they used an A340-600. Later they switched to the 777.

I don't think they ever used a 747 on that route. I was under the impression that a 747 could not make the JFK-HKG trip.
Hopefully the same answer hasn't already been provided (I've been reading from the front), but I can shed a little light on this.

It has been done. Some time ago - before 9/11 I'm pretty sure - UA briefly tried a 747 JFK-HKG. CO already had EWR-HKG, so I remember it because this was just a few miles longer. But, it wasn't easy, and it was said they took pretty substantial penalties. They discontinued the route pretty quickly, as I recall.

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Edit to add: Aha - I see TrojanTraveler also remembered this UA 747 JFK-HKG , but since it was just a vague recall I'll leave this confirmation.

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Old Jun 6, 2013, 6:33 pm
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Originally Posted by misterbean
N661US is back! It took 3 weeks to fix.
Flew DL295 ATL-NRT, just a littttle behind schedule.

Now DL's 747 fleet is fully operational, with 1 spare bird in ATL (will almost certainly reposition at some point this month or early July to NRT).
What plane is spare? A quick check of Flightaware makes it look like they're all flying.
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by rylan
Geez, 3 weeks... Sounds like they might've performed a C-Check while the bird was in for repairs as well?
Does DL do 747 C-checks at ATL? And do they normally take close to three weeks to complete?
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Old Jun 6, 2013, 7:56 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Does DL do 747 C-checks at ATL? And do they normally take close to three weeks to complete?
They could certainly do one in ATL. They have the staff and facilities. Not sure if that's normal for them or if it's outsources like a D check.

Airlines have substancial engineering talent in-house. They don't depend on Boeing for repairs or upgrades.
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