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Impact of FAA furloughs on DL operations

Old Apr 21, 13, 10:50 pm
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Impact of FAA furloughs on DL operations

After a somewhat manageable delay (~ 2 hours) this evening, which the flight deck blamed on reduced ATC staffing, I'm curious to hear from others how the cuts are affecting operations systemwide.

Has anyone else been delayed because of these cuts yet? Any plans to change travel patterns for the next few months? It looks like we may have a "fun" summer ahead of us...

I am most curious to know how Delta handles IROPs in these cases; how flexible can we expect them to be in re-accomodating passengers when the entire network is chronically constrained during the summer?

For reference, DL has posted the following travel advisory:

Last updated: April 21, 9:00 a.m.
On behalf of our customers and employees, Delta is disappointed that furloughs of Federal Aviation Administration personnel will result in delays and cancellations across the national air transportation system. The FAA has advised Delta that furlough-driven delays are most likely to occur at the following 10 airports:
New York-LaGuardia
New York-JFK
Newark Liberty
Philadelphia
Fort Lauderdale
Chicago O'Hare
Chicago Midway
San Francisco
Los Angeles (LAX)
San Diego
Delta will continue to do everything possible to mitigate these delays for our customers. As always, we encourage customers to check their flight status at delta.com or on the Fly Delta app before arriving at the airport.
Customers may contact their representatives in Congress about the FAA furloughs at www.dontgroundamerica.com
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...furloughs.html

Safe travels to all, and best of luck in avoiding sequester-related delays!
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Old Apr 21, 13, 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by akonradi View Post
Any plans to change travel patterns for the next few months?
I will be flying in and out of JFK on my way to/from LAS in two weeks.

The way I see it, this merely gives me the opportunity to get in some gambling before I arrive in Sin City.
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Old Apr 21, 13, 11:04 pm
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I still don't understand why this will cause delays - probably a bit of drama I guess....

Circled around jfk for 30 minutes tonight but thats nothing new. Kind of felt like arriving at heathrow
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Old Apr 22, 13, 2:19 am
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LAX operations were completely messed up tonight (Sunday 4/21). A majority of SFO-LAX flights were cancelled and it seemed like there were system wide delays. We were only delayed 1.5 hours but the previous flight was cancelled. Basically it seemed like the equivalent of a very bad weather ground hold. FAA website attributed it to STAFFING and the pilots confirmed it was due to a shortage of ATC since they are not allow over time.

Even the parking lot was trying to deal with more than normal passengers arriving past midnight..

Good luck to those travelling this week. For once, I am happy to be on the ground!
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Old Apr 22, 13, 2:47 am
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Flew ATL-PHL Sunday afternoon...

There are more people going through the Pre-Check line in ATL, many of whom have not done Pre-Check before. Coats, shoes and belts were being taken off and liquids were being fished out of suitcases before the TSA staff stopped people. Obviously this is being done to make the TSA lines faster overall, but it slows down those of us who have been using Pre-Check for the past almost couple of years.

Landing in PHL, taxiing in was slow. As had been predicted, it seemed ATC could not handle both take-offs and taxiing planes simultaneously. We landed early and got to the gate on time, but we did spend longer than usual getting from the landing runway to the gate.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 3:39 am
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Atl 4/21 International Arrivals

Zero issues at CBP: Postive handling of passengers:
TSA thru to connecting flights (1) line and backed up with long delays :
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Old Apr 22, 13, 5:41 am
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Looks like the "staffing" delays yesterday were all relegated to LAX and N90 (the NYC TRACON). Today will be a better test to see what we're in for long term as many flights no-op on Sundays.

ATC doesn't have time to explain all their decisions, so pilots tend to exaggerate or assume things. I learned a long time ago that most pilots really don't know much about the ATC system outside of how it affects their flight. So to the OP I wouldn't believe everything they tell you. At least with smartphones you can access the OIS from the plane and see for yourself.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 5:44 am
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More manufactured delays to maximize impact and delay to cause an uproar. Sorry, but Sun traffic is relatively light and no reason for having massive delays like this.

I wonder which airport the FAA will 'target' today for slapping with exorbitantly long delays.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 5:46 am
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Please compare...

For this thread to be useful it would be best if you could compare your post-sequester flight observations with what you experienced pre-sequester.

Random observations of what happened, or didn't happen, on a particular flight or airport don't tell us much about the impact of the furloughs without a baseline to compare them to.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 6:18 am
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Don't know if this is normal for Mon morning, but LGA has a ground stop traffic management program in effect now, and 45min+ holding pattern delays for incoming aircraft.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 6:24 am
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A thread about this poped up over the weakened with some nice comments from ATC and pilots. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...xt-week-4.html
Admittedly, this thread has a better title. Maybe mods could merge?
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Old Apr 22, 13, 6:27 am
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Originally Posted by rylan View Post
More manufactured delays to maximize impact and delay to cause an uproar. Sorry, but Sun traffic is relatively light and no reason for having massive delays like this.

I wonder which airport the FAA will 'target' today for slapping with exorbitantly long delays.
Or maybe "the sequester just started and they're still figuring everything out," but conspiracy theories with a political axe to grind are more satisfying I guess.
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Old Apr 22, 13, 7:24 am
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So after some sleep, just some other observations that could be useful.

- The news hit the SFO staff like a ton of bricks. It seems like operations did not keep them well informed initially. They did a good job overall of trying to handle everybody by bringing in more CSRs to deal with the line. Hopefully, now that they know to expect this, they will be a bit more prepared.

- At SFO, for the cancelled 7pm flight to LAX, they were offering to either let you wait for our possible delayed flight, rebooked on the morning, or refund. I asked if I could get a hotel voucher if I had to overnight. The reply was that since it was an ATC problem, not Delta's fault, no hotel voucher would be provided. They did bring out the drink and snack cart into the gate area as well.


[\rant ON] I'm not a mod, but I'm taking a stab here. IMHO, this thread should focus on delays due to FAA and/or TSA staffing shortages. Please keep all political discussion about why/need/cause/etc.. to OMNI Politics. I think it would be more useful if we got a sense of how Delta responds, how it affects us, and useful information for avoiding or dealing with problems (my $0.02) [\rant OFF]

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Old Apr 22, 13, 7:26 am
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Originally Posted by TTT View Post
A thread about this poped up over the weakened with some nice comments from ATC and pilots. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...xt-week-4.html
Admittedly, this thread has a better title. Maybe mods could merge?
terrific typo!


Originally Posted by FlyingBear View Post
... [\rant ON] I'm not a mod, but I'm taking a stab here. IMHO, this thread should focus on delays due to FAA and/or TSA staffing shortages. Please keep all political discussion about why/need/cause/etc.. to OMNI Politics. I think it would be more useful if we got a sense of how Delta responds, how it affects us, and useful information for avoiding or dealing with problems (my $0.02) [\rant OFF]
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Originally Posted by FlyingBear View Post
[\rant ON] I'm not a mod, but I'm taking a stab here. IMHO, this thread should focus on delays due to FAA and/or TSA staffing shortages. Please keep all political discussion about why/need/cause/etc.. to OMNI Politics. I think it would be more useful if we got a sense of how Delta responds, how it affects us, and useful information for avoiding or dealing with problems (my $0.02) [\rant OFF]
+2 (or whatever it will be by the time I finish this)

I don't come to FT for politics. Therefore, I stay out of OMNI/PR. I do not need to see posters editorializing here about their views on the budget situation. I trust the mods will deal with RBPs as they come in, but I think urging everyone to please restrict their political discussions to OMNI so that we don't have too many posts for the mods to deal with is worthwhile.
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