SDC rules change April 16; Increased restrictions incl same fare bucket availability
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Bubbashow, I've asked you before, and will ask you again since you keep saying it. Why do you believe that the DL management would take one red cent from the bottom line (and their bonuses) to improve domestic F unless they absolutely had to to remain competitive? I just don't see it.
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
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Sunsetted privileges and new fees are financial offsets.
The claim that they're ultimately destined "to create a more exclusive elite experience" has no factual basis.
Any more than when AT&T slaps a new $1.76 fee on my monthly wireless bill, I experience better cell service.
The claim that they're ultimately destined "to create a more exclusive elite experience" has no factual basis.
Any more than when AT&T slaps a new $1.76 fee on my monthly wireless bill, I experience better cell service.
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Sunsetted privileges and new fees are financial offsets.
The claim that they're ultimately destined "to create a more exclusive elite experience" has no factual basis.
Any more than when AT&T slaps a new $1.76 fee on my monthly wireless bill, I experience better cell service.
The claim that they're ultimately destined "to create a more exclusive elite experience" has no factual basis.
Any more than when AT&T slaps a new $1.76 fee on my monthly wireless bill, I experience better cell service.
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Bruce
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Do you not see the investments Delta has been making in the lobby experience? The gate houses? Aircraft?
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
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Do you not see the investments Delta has been making in the lobby experience? The gate houses? Aircraft?
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
The story on the ground is another matter altogether. That's where you see real differences. And Delta's gigantic investments in ground facilities -- both major and minor things, from completely new terminals to power strips -- set Delta apart and at the head of the class. Considering that I spend almost as much time in airport terminals as in airplanes, this matters a lot to me. And Delta remains my primary airline, despite the fact that they continue to nibble away at certain valuable benefits, like the Skymiles program.
Bruce
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Pay for GE and you can use the TSA precheck lane at DTW. Since DTW has put precheck in, it's very easy to clear security as long as you get the three beeps.
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Do you not see the investments Delta has been making in the lobby experience? The gate houses? Aircraft?
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
ATL F, JFK T4, LAX T5, LGA, MSP F, SEA S.... Things like power poles. A steady remodel of the SkyClubs. Wifi in EVERY aircraft with an F cabin. Cabin refreshes. Training staff about HVCs. Lots of IT stuff happening in the background to improve staff ability to handle customers quickly and efficiently. There are many more examples. Delta is indeed investing in its product. As DL management have taken a risk in taking a few cents from their current bottom line to make these investments, I believe they will pay off.
The payoff will likely involve attracting more high-paying customers, which will displace some low-spend FT'ers and I think the tone of this forum reflects that is already happening.
Bubba seems to expect DL will immediately upgrade the inflight dining options after they cull the LVC and gamers from the herd. Unless one of the other Big Two rolls out something extra special domestic systemwide, I personally don't see DL rushing to upgrade their inflight domestic meals any time soon. Maybe my view is an outlier and taints my opinion. When I decide which airline to book, what they serve for food is the last thing I consider. I can't be alone in that. Thus my thought is improving the domestic FC meal experience would be near the bottom of the list of DL improvements. I am sure you are much more dialed into DL's plans, so hopefully I am completely off base, and Bubba is correct that better meals are on the way asap.
Edit to add: Let me clarify/simplify--I do think DL will spend money--just not on food options any time soon. I personally think they should continue to spend the money on more important items like training and IT and hope they do that first.
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Yes, I see those.
Bubba seems to expect DL will immediately upgrade the inflight dining options after they cull the LVC and gamers from the herd. Unless one of the other Big Two rolls out something extra special domestic systemwide, I personally don't see DL rushing to upgrade their inflight domestic meals any time soon. Maybe my view is an outlier and taints my opinion. When I decide which airline to book, what they serve for food is the last thing I consider. I can't be alone in that. Thus my thought is improving the domestic FC meal experience would be near the bottom of the list of DL improvements. I am sure you are much more dialed into DL's plans, so hopefully I am completely off base, and Bubba is correct that better meals are on the way asap.
Bubba seems to expect DL will immediately upgrade the inflight dining options after they cull the LVC and gamers from the herd. Unless one of the other Big Two rolls out something extra special domestic systemwide, I personally don't see DL rushing to upgrade their inflight domestic meals any time soon. Maybe my view is an outlier and taints my opinion. When I decide which airline to book, what they serve for food is the last thing I consider. I can't be alone in that. Thus my thought is improving the domestic FC meal experience would be near the bottom of the list of DL improvements. I am sure you are much more dialed into DL's plans, so hopefully I am completely off base, and Bubba is correct that better meals are on the way asap.
I agree that domestic First food is likely on the bottom of the priority list. I think they'd continue to focus on things like the LAX/SFO/SEA-JFK Michael Chiarello meals and expanded EC snacks.
As bdschobel said, DL will likely have a better return on investment on the ground as there is a broader audience to please with upgrades to terminals and the food options there.
#584
Join Date: Nov 2012
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I certainly agree with this. On a recent flight ATL-LAX, I was something like #19 on an upgrade list numbering 78 people. That's just insane. The 757 holds something like 190 people. And for me to be #19 was pretty surprising, too. My low fare probably explains that.
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AMEN. As in any business, you treat your high value clients better than low spenders. Basically, if you mileage run to get status, you may have flown around the globe, but if you're not making the airline the same amount as the customer who spends 4x more on regular fare on a regular basis, you shouldn't be getting the same freebies. Just like a "buy 10 get one free", they want a spend, not just a visit to the store.