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SteveMSflyer Feb 18, 2013 10:16 am

Waiting in ATLANTA
 
How can Delta in ATLANTA, their major hub, allow a flight to delayed over 60 minutes when the plane is in the hanger waiting for a tug to transport to the gate. The GA states there is only 1 tug? Certainly sounds unreasonable? Delta #1752

UpgradeMe Feb 18, 2013 10:29 am

You expect DL to have dozens of extra DC-9-50's available?

DLdweeb Feb 18, 2013 10:33 am


Originally Posted by UpgradeMe (Post 20270362)
You expect DL to have dozens of extra DC-9-50's available?

No, but I expect they have more than one tug in ATL.

Orange County Commuter Feb 18, 2013 10:46 am


Originally Posted by DLdweeb (Post 20270385)
No, but I expect they have more than one tug in ATL.

I expect most frequent flyers not to take a gate agent announcement as having "all the facts".

mfdii Feb 18, 2013 11:20 am

Maybe they should get a hitch for the Porsche Cayennes and they can be used as "emergency tugs" when DYKWIA's are waiting for their aircraft. :p

Josher747 Feb 18, 2013 11:32 am

While I can't give a specific reason why the plane was "towed" to the gate late, towing planes from hangars or remote stands in Atlanta isn't easy.. The "tugs" are actually "super tugs" that have the ability to pull these aircraft across the airfield.. They must cross active runways, so coordination with ATC at all times is necessary, hence only certain people being certified for this job. If you've ever noticed, there are generally many aircraft sitting in a remote pad on the north side of the airfield, as well as the Delta hangars. This causes traffic jams with idle planes as well..

While there are quite a few more than "1" tug available, it's quite possible they were all being used on a Monday, when a full schedule is in effect after a reduced schedule Sunday where many planes were sitting idle.

xliioper Feb 18, 2013 11:38 am

Here's a picture of one of the Goldhofer's (aka super tug's) --

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11511707@N05/4739361790/

udontknowme Feb 18, 2013 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by Josher747 (Post 20270763)
While I can't give a specific reason why the plane was "towed" to the gate late, towing planes from hangars or remote stands in Atlanta isn't easy.. The "tugs" are actually "super tugs" that have the ability to pull these aircraft across the airfield.. They must cross active runways, so coordination with ATC at all times is necessary, hence only certain people being certified for this job. If you've ever noticed, there are generally many aircraft sitting in a remote pad on the north side of the airfield, as well as the Delta hangars. This causes traffic jams with idle planes as well..

While there are quite a few more than "1" tug available, it's quite possible they were all being used on a Monday, when a full schedule is in effect after a reduced schedule Sunday where many planes were sitting idle.

Monday follows Sunday every darn week. Delta might want to plan around that.

us2 Feb 18, 2013 1:30 pm


Originally Posted by Josher747 (Post 20270763)
While I can't give a specific reason why the plane was "towed" to the gate late, towing planes from hangars or remote stands in Atlanta isn't easy.. The "tugs" are actually "super tugs" that have the ability to pull these aircraft across the airfield.. They must cross active runways, so coordination with ATC at all times is necessary, hence only certain people being certified for this job. If you've ever noticed, there are generally many aircraft sitting in a remote pad on the north side of the airfield, as well as the Delta hangars. This causes traffic jams with idle planes as well..

While there are quite a few more than "1" tug available, it's quite possible they were all being used on a Monday, when a full schedule is in effect after a reduced schedule Sunday where many planes were sitting idle.

If you look at an airport map of ATL, http://155.178.201.160/d-tpp/1302/00026AD.PDF , it is pretty apparent that a tow from the North Ramp is going to involve crossing two active runways and several taxiways. It may just be that Atlanta Ground won't approve a tow until there's a lull in traffic as it would be too disruptive to departing and arriving traffic and would involve coordination between both ground control and the tower controller for each runway being crossed (each runway has its own tower frequency) as well as the controller for the ramp into which it's being towed.

In short, a tow at ATL isn't as simple as it sounds.

BobH Feb 18, 2013 1:45 pm


Originally Posted by LBJ (Post 20270801)
Here's a picture of one of the Goldhofer's (aka super tug's) --

http://www.flickr.com/photos/11511707@N05/4739361790/

That's for posting -- that thing could do anything !

Bob H

N639DL Feb 18, 2013 2:29 pm

It is a holiday technically, and also vacation week for many schools. Tugs may be busy and not all of them might be able to pull a DC-9-50 (not in the sense of weight but the actual attachment).

bpe Feb 18, 2013 2:39 pm

A 60 minute delay doesn't mean that it will take 60 minutes to tug the plane to the gate. Even if the tug does make it in 20 minutes (not unreasonable imo), there still is paperwork, fueling, loading bags and so on, all with little to no advance notice, and potentially getting pilots unless the original aircraft was also a DC9.

davetravels Feb 18, 2013 4:48 pm

It looks like the delay somehow snowballed into a hair less than 2 hours.

https://www.delta.com/flifo/servlet/...3&request=main

udontknowme Feb 18, 2013 8:00 pm


Originally Posted by bpe (Post 20271928)
A 60 minute delay doesn't mean that it will take 60 minutes to tug the plane to the gate. Even if the tug does make it in 20 minutes (not unreasonable imo), there still is paperwork, fueling, loading bags and so on, all with little to no advance notice, and potentially getting pilots if the cancelled flight wasn't a DC9 as well.

OP didn't mention any cancellation. Do you have additional info?

bpe Feb 18, 2013 8:44 pm


Originally Posted by udontknowme (Post 20273394)
OP didn't mention any cancellation. Do you have additional info?

Sorry - didn't mean cancelled flight, but rather the aircraft that was supposed to fly that flight instead of the replacement DC9


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