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Delta, Air France and KLM Announce Final Steps toward Fare Class Alignment

Delta, Air France and KLM Announce Final Steps toward Fare Class Alignment

Old Jan 22, 2013, 10:09 pm
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This sounds like it might be the other shoe dropping...

Think they'll "align" MQM/EQM earnings?
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 10:11 pm
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Here is the link:

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...mt-member.html

You can read the class fares chart.

Thanks all.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 10:18 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
Here is the link:

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...mt-member.html

You can read the class fares chart.

Thanks all.
This is the chart for MQM earnings on the *old* fare classes, showing the differences for flights purchased before and after March 1. There's nothing about fare class alignment here.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 10:21 pm
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One potential positive is if this resolves the lack of O/X availability on KLM/AF for DL members. I can't really tell if that will happen though based on the OP's post.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 11:00 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
This is the chart for MQM earnings on the *old* fare classes, showing the differences for flights purchased before and after March 1. There's nothing about fare class alignment here.
Also, others airlines partner fare classes has been change. Here is the link:

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...nes/tarom.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...orean-air.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...a-airways.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-southern.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...a-eastern.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en.../alitalia.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...ir-france.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...ir-europa.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...eromexico.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...rgentinas.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-airlines.html

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...rnational.html

All SkyTeam partners & DL codeshare partner fare classes has been change. You can read the chart.

Thanks All.
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Old Jan 22, 2013, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by DavidAL
One potential positive is if this resolves the lack of O/X availability on KLM/AF for DL members. I can't really tell if that will happen though based on the OP's post.
That and prayers SWU's add S & H to fares we can use them on.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 3:09 am
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Originally Posted by javabytes
So this means the end of ExpertFlyer carrying DL upgrade inventory?...
Apparently this is exactly what it means.

Now we are back to mostly flying blind about near-term upgrade possibilities when booking or needing to waste a lot of time querying the agent about this availability going down the list of convenient flights one after the other until we hit one that works.

It will be interesting when NYC is my destination from South Florida and to LGA I start with FLL, proceed to MIA, then try PBI. If none of them work, then I can go on to do the same for JFK.

Perhaps this signifies the complete end of internet booking for PMs and DMs in favor of using an agent to parse the codes and then booking on the spot.

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Old Jan 23, 2013, 3:27 am
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Originally Posted by javabytes
So this means the end of ExpertFlyer carrying DL upgrade inventory?
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Why should it? When they say "not displayed", I suspect it just means it doesn't appear in regular "Flight Availability" (to use EF parlance) listings for the DL flight. That is already the case today anyway with Delta flights on EF (they do not display "G" or "Z" or "V" or "X" availablity) in the regular res display. You have to go to "Award/Upgrade Availability" on EF to see the upgrade availability on DL metal flights - I suspect it will be the same going forward, just that the letters will have changed.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 3:56 am
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
Why should it? When they say "not displayed", I suspect it just means it doesn't appear in regular "Flight Availability" (to use EF parlance) listings for the DL flight. That is already the case today anyway with Delta flights on EF (they do not display "G" or "Z" or "V" or "X" availablity) in the regular res display. You have to go to "Award/Upgrade Availability" on EF to see the upgrade availability on DL metal flights - I suspect it will be the same going forward, just that the letters will have changed.
That is absolutely not the case. There has been a sea change.

Seats for complimentary Medallion upgrades (which had formerly been displayed on EF as V or X) are now newly categorized by DL as R and O and are (for now anyhow) being hidden so that availability is not being seen.

For this domestic business traveler, the display of V and X was the be-all and end-all reason to subscribe to EF.

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Old Jan 23, 2013, 5:29 am
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Originally Posted by monitor
That is absolutely not the case. There has been a sea change.

Seats for complimentary Medallion upgrades (which had formerly been displayed on EF as V or X) are now newly categorized by DL as R and O and are (for now anyhow) being hidden so that availability is not being seen.

For this domestic business traveler, the display of V and X was the be-all and end-all reason to subscribe to EF.
Isn't this just a case of EF having to do some recoding of its search criteria to respond to the new fare codes? Perhaps make a date-dependent search during the rolling in of the new codes? From a coding perspective this seems obvious, so I don't know what I'm missing.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 5:34 am
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Originally Posted by monitor
That is absolutely not the case. There has been a sea change.

Seats for complimentary Medallion upgrades (which had formerly been displayed on EF as V or X) are now newly categorized by DL as R and O and are (for now anyhow) being hidden so that availability is not being seen.

For this domestic business traveler, the display of V and X was the be-all and end-all reason to subscribe to EF.
Sorry, you're right - just noticed on EF. Hopefully ExpertFlyerVoice can chime in. I am hopeful that this is just a timing/coding thing, and that they will eventually display R and O. If this was supposed to be a wholesale elimination of upgrade inventory display on DL, they could have eliminated all upgrade inventory, but G and Z are still available through EF even for domestic flights....
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 5:55 am
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I got a headache halfway through Phase 1.....reminds of the programming instructions that came with my first VCR.

Can anyone explain what this means, in layman's terms? Any reason for concern?
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by amolkold
Seems like W will still stick around as Premium Economy for AF fares ... in between Business and Economy. Since DL doesn't have a PE product, it's not part of the "alignment"
WSA are AF premium economy from highest to lowest fares, I think although it may be SWA. W and S have been upgradeable with miles if there is O availability. What are they becoming in the new scheme?

Just tried a sample booking IAD-CDG-HKG and return in AF premium economy for March and it looks like the cheapest fares are still pricing in A at about $2200/2300 RT. And according to the award chart A will still earn the 25% base miles bonus and the 50% MQM bonus.

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Old Jan 23, 2013, 6:02 am
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
Sorry, you're right - just noticed on EF. Hopefully ExpertFlyerVoice can chime in. I am hopeful that this is just a timing/coding thing, and that they will eventually display R and O. If this was supposed to be a wholesale elimination of upgrade inventory display on DL, they could have eliminated all upgrade inventory, but G and Z are still available through EF even for domestic flights....
I'm not optimistic for the simple reason that R and O are also the award space buckets. The OP indicates that DL will be internally managing the inventory, so presumably there will be some of R/O space that's for upgrades and some of it that's for awards.
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Old Jan 23, 2013, 6:07 am
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What do these changes even mean?
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