AA Matching DM to EXP

Old Jan 23, 13, 3:48 am
  #106  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Seat 1A
Programs: DL; AA; UA; CO; LHLX; NZ; QR; EK; BA
Posts: 7,227
AA: EQM vs EQP

For those who think AA is a better option because of the M MQM going from 150% to 100%, here are a few things to take note of:

AA awards Elite status based on EITHER EQMs or EQPs. If you qualify via EQMs, bear in mind that there are NO bonuses for any fare class on EQMs. Even if you spend $10000 round trip on a First Class ticket to Tokyo with a full F fare, you will still get 100% EQMs.

Class-of-service bonus for elite qualification only applies with EQPs. Here, you will get 150% EQPs for all premium cabin fare classes (First, Business) and the top two Y fares (codes Y and B). They also include "W" in the 150% category and this is the Premium Eco inventory (which is really only applicable for BA-operated flights since AA, like DL, does not have a separate Premium Eco cabin/fare class). So for Economy fares, only the top two (Y, B) qualify for 150% EQPs. The next tier of Y fares (H, K, M ,L, etc.) are at 100% EQPs, while the lowest fares (G, Q, N, O, S) get LESS THAN 100% - they are at 50% EQPs.

In terms of the equivalent of the DL "M" fare on the AA side, it's a little difficult to do a comparison as it could vary by market. In some markets, I have found that the DL M fare is the equivalent of the AA B fare, in which case you will earn the 150% EQP; but in other markets, the DL M fare is the same as the AA H fare, in which case you only earn 100% EQPs, no different than what you would have gotten at Delta with the M fare....

If you are like me, and travel with a mix of premium and heavily discounted Eco fares, AA's program actually makes it more difficult to qualify for Elite status. Basically, when you are buying premium fare classes, your EQP count is way ahead of your EQM count, but when you buy those really cheap Y fares, you are knocked back down on the EQP front (with only 50% EQPs) though you're steady on the EQM front....
ClipperDelta is offline  
Old Jan 23, 13, 5:43 am
  #107  
Moderator: Coupon Connection & S.P.A.M
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Louisville, KY
Programs: Wild Wild Life, TSA Disparager Diamond (LTDD)
Posts: 57,890
Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler View Post
Desperate times call for desperate measures..... AA can have all the less than $12.5k a year DMs
Many will both status match away and spend more than $12.5k per year.

(I'm already EXP but I will be immediately delivering some solid >$12.5k/year revenue to AA thanks to this match.)
Spiff is offline  
Old Jan 23, 13, 6:16 am
  #108  
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: MLB
Posts: 445
Seems that most people are comparing the FF programs. Don't forget - you actually have to travel on the airline! Based on personal experience, there's a reason there are so many DL DMs floating out there - it's just a better-run airline right now than its counterparts. I've flown every significant domestic airline in the past year, and AA ranks above only NK for me (not kidding). I actually think US is a better airline as far as travel experience, so if AA were to become more like US, it would actually be a positive, based on my experience. DL has a more comparable travel experience to B6 and VX (slight notch below both), and a better travel experience than all its legacy competitors at the moment. To be sure, DL has significant room to improve, but anyone who wants to move over to AA - thanks, more room for me!
ssk1127 is offline  
Old Jan 23, 13, 8:25 am
  #109  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: LAX
Programs: DM
Posts: 1,067
Originally Posted by DontYouKnowWhoIAm View Post
Um yes. 12 flghts in Y (upgradeable if the customer wants) and $36k is a pretty smart business move. Why Delta wants to fire that type of customer is possible one of the biggest airline program blunders in history. If they want to get rid of cheap elites make fare class = lower MQM at THE LOWER CLASSES not the premiums!

Delta is giving AA the keys to the kingdom here because they are FIRING THE WRONG CUSTOMERS. They could not help themselves. The MQD was enough but they had to lower MQM earnings......complete IDIOTS (and so greedy it you can smell it).
You seem to exaggerate and yell a lot. Is this caused by anxiety?
Deadtail is offline  
Old Jan 23, 13, 2:10 pm
  #110  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
Originally Posted by ssk1127 View Post
Seems that most people are comparing the FF programs. Don't forget - you actually have to travel on the airline! Based on personal experience, there's a reason there are so many DL DMs floating out there - it's just a better-run airline right now than its counterparts. I've flown every significant domestic airline in the past year, and AA ranks above only NK for me (not kidding). I actually think US is a better airline as far as travel experience, so if AA were to become more like US, it would actually be a positive, based on my experience. DL has a more comparable travel experience to B6 and VX (slight notch below both), and a better travel experience than all its legacy competitors at the moment. To be sure, DL has significant room to improve, but anyone who wants to move over to AA - thanks, more room for me!
Not true as AA doesn't enforce the 4 segment/10k mileage rule too much.
AA_EXP09 is offline  
Old Jan 23, 13, 10:44 pm
  #111  
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tulsa, OK
Programs: AA EXP, UA Silver, SPG Plat, Marriott Plat
Posts: 1,264
Originally Posted by AA_EXP09 View Post
So?
You can interline/codeshare after the longhaul AA flights.
(Then again NRT-BKK/SGN/KUL/SIN/JKT aren't exactly short flights but JL sake in Y is actually not bad.)
So? Most people want to fly direct and use the SWU instead of flying to a hub (like NRT) then connecting to a Y seat flight.

AA needs more Asian non stops to build up their route network. Until then, it becomes a difficult value proposition for Elites to connect and then sit in a Y seat for the hop from NRT.

You may not care but I can assure you that the vast majority of FF'ers out there want a direct as possible connection.

I like AA as much as the next guy but I won't stick my fingers in my ears and pretend their Asia network isn't a major weakness.
fieldeng is offline  
Old Jan 24, 13, 1:26 pm
  #112  
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: ATL
Programs: Delta DM, 3M; AA, FB, UA some lower status
Posts: 394
Originally Posted by Stripe View Post
I wouldn't say "dreadful", but it does not compare well to DL's lie-flats. I'd put it a notch ahead of the angled-flats in the A330's, and well ahead of the cradle seats DL still has on at least some of the 767s and 757s. The nice thing about AA is that the seats are consistent across the fleet. No guessing or getting screwed by equipment changes. In addition, AA also has F on its 777s, where the seats hands down beat anything in the DL fleet. If you buy into J it's a fairly easy upgrade to F. And AA will leapfrog DL when it starts rolling out its new J and F seats. DL's business class pillows are way better than AA's, or anyone else's for that matter.

As an AA EXP I'm not excited to see it given away like this, especially after the deluge of UA refugees last year. But I would be surprised if there were many DL takers. EXP is much more of a lateral move from DM than it was from 1K. Upgrade rates, CS and treatment in IROPs is probably equivalent. The AA SWUs kill DL's, the domestic F experience is more "first class", the lounges are better, and the companion upgrade program works like it should. DL has a better international network.
For some time to come, AA still has middle seats in intl biz - bleh!

Not sure whether you call it the "hard" or "soft" product, but I have always found AA in-flight service to be rather cold and thin compared to DL.

YMMV, but I don't see much difference in domestic F, other than the aforementioned behavior of the FAs.

The clubs are maybe a toss up - on the one hand, DL domestic clubs are packed to the gills, on the other hand, free drinks...
Tom Williams is offline  
Old Jan 24, 13, 1:40 pm
  #113  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
 
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: Anywhere I need to be.
Programs: OW Emerald, *A Gold, NEXUS, GE, ABTC/APEC, South Korea SES, eIACS, PP, Hyatt Diamond
Posts: 16,046
Originally Posted by fieldeng View Post
So? Most people want to fly direct and use the SWU instead of flying to a hub (like NRT) then connecting to a Y seat flight.

AA needs more Asian non stops to build up their route network. Until then, it becomes a difficult value proposition for Elites to connect and then sit in a Y seat for the hop from NRT.

You may not care but I can assure you that the vast majority of FF'ers out there want a direct as possible connection.

I like AA as much as the next guy but I won't stick my fingers in my ears and pretend their Asia network isn't a major weakness.
It is definitely a weakness but not enough to prevent me from flying them.
There's a reason I have maintained CX status as well as I don't want to connect in NRT/the US both ways when I go there due to lost time (I already lose 16 hours going there) and security theater on the way back to the US (I have a large reserve of duty free in YVR and I want to keep building it.)
AA_EXP09 is offline  
Old Jan 26, 13, 11:11 am
  #114  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Los Angeles
Programs: AA Exec Plat, DL Plat (but not for long)
Posts: 175
Originally Posted by ClipperDelta View Post
For those who think AA is a better option because of the M MQM going from 150% to 100%, here are a few things to take note of:

AA awards Elite status based on EITHER EQMs or EQPs. If you qualify via EQMs, bear in mind that there are NO bonuses for any fare class on EQMs. Even if you spend $10000 round trip on a First Class ticket to Tokyo with a full F fare, you will still get 100% EQMs.

Class-of-service bonus for elite qualification only applies with EQPs. Here, you will get 150% EQPs for all premium cabin fare classes (First, Business) and the top two Y fares (codes Y and B). They also include "W" in the 150% category and this is the Premium Eco inventory (which is really only applicable for BA-operated flights since AA, like DL, does not have a separate Premium Eco cabin/fare class). So for Economy fares, only the top two (Y, B) qualify for 150% EQPs. The next tier of Y fares (H, K, M ,L, etc.) are at 100% EQPs, while the lowest fares (G, Q, N, O, S) get LESS THAN 100% - they are at 50% EQPs.

In terms of the equivalent of the DL "M" fare on the AA side, it's a little difficult to do a comparison as it could vary by market. In some markets, I have found that the DL M fare is the equivalent of the AA B fare, in which case you will earn the 150% EQP; but in other markets, the DL M fare is the same as the AA H fare, in which case you only earn 100% EQPs, no different than what you would have gotten at Delta with the M fare....

If you are like me, and travel with a mix of premium and heavily discounted Eco fares, AA's program actually makes it more difficult to qualify for Elite status. Basically, when you are buying premium fare classes, your EQP count is way ahead of your EQM count, but when you buy those really cheap Y fares, you are knocked back down on the EQP front (with only 50% EQPs) though you're steady on the EQM front....
What you say is true but in general upgradeable fares on AA are less than on DL. If I'm only going to get 100% I might as well take the cheaper fare.
KKinLA is offline  
Old Feb 9, 13, 10:01 am
  #115  
c_d
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: BER, SAT, AUS
Programs: Feels like FO (AA EXP)
Posts: 1,611
I am tempted to match but the information provided is misleading: I got a call from an AA representative and she was telling me about an adapted process still featuring a challenge but with waived fees for EXP. However, it is very unclear what is used as basis for calculating the conclusion: is is MQP or MQM? The agent insists on it being the miles while the e-Mail is stating points. Does anyone has deeper insight?
c_d is offline  
Old Feb 9, 13, 10:12 am
  #116  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: New York, NY
Programs: AA EXP, DL PM
Posts: 66
AA Matching DM to EXP

I can confirm it is points. 25000 points --keep in mind discount y only earns .5 points per mile.

For those of you saying good riddance to the less than 12.5 k flyer, this challenge requirement alone would not suit one of the so called gamers.

8 segments in so far. 7/8 upgrades. AA is now my primary, with DL second.
::JUJUBE is offline  
Old Mar 20, 14, 5:02 pm
  #117  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: LAX
Programs: DL 1MM/DM, SPG Platinum, Pete's Brass Rail & Car Wash Beer Club
Posts: 275
Does anyone know if AA is still offering status challenges from Diamond to Ex Plat?

Thanks
BoeingGuy is offline  
Old Mar 20, 14, 5:30 pm
  #118  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: ORD/MDW
Programs: DL DM; SPG Gold
Posts: 1,733
Originally Posted by BoeingGuy View Post
Does anyone know if AA is still offering status challenges from Diamond to Ex Plat?

Thanks
I asked and was denied. Only offered Gold while Plat challenging. I said thanks but no, thanks.
vgb2001 is offline  
Old Mar 20, 14, 8:02 pm
  #119  
 
Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: Los Angeles, CA, USA`
Posts: 204
Originally Posted by vgb2001 View Post
I asked and was denied. Only offered Gold while Plat challenging. I said thanks but no, thanks.
Would love to know if others have had the same experience as I am considering a challenge myself. I am a BAEC Gold who became DL Diamond last year and because of the 2015 Skymiles changes am thinking of going back to Oneworld, but with a US-based FF program this time around.

let me/us know
thanks !
A
aurelien75017 is offline  
Old Mar 20, 14, 11:04 pm
  #120  
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Posts: 576
I checked - same deal.

It looks like you need to fly 100k with them to get the EXP. No match, no challenge.
FlyingBeanCounter is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread