AA Matching DM to EXP
Jan 17, 13, 6:13 pm
#46
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
I take my design seriously.
Originally Posted by pbarnette
But hopefully it was clear that I was joking about throwing up.
Jan 17, 13, 7:30 pm
#47
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Originally Posted by mAAine_flyer
Threw up, seriously? It's a few red, white and blue painted lines. Or are you "attempt[ing] to crank the hyperbole up to 11", to borrow your words from another thread?
Jan 17, 13, 7:35 pm
#48
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Originally Posted by Stripe
I wouldn't say "dreadful", but it does not compare well to DL's lie-flats. I'd put it a notch ahead of the angled-flats in the A330's, and well ahead of the cradle seats DL still has on at least some of the 767s and 757s. The nice thing about AA is that the seats are consistent across the fleet. No guessing or getting screwed by equipment changes. In addition, AA also has F on its 777s, where the seats hands down beat anything in the DL fleet. If you buy into J it's a fairly easy upgrade to F. And AA will leapfrog DL when it starts rolling out its new J and F seats. DL's business class pillows are way better than AA's, or anyone else's for that matter.
As an AA EXP I'm not excited to see it given away like this, especially after the deluge of UA refugees last year. But I would be surprised if there were many DL takers. EXP is much more of a lateral move from DM than it was from 1K. Upgrade rates, CS and treatment in IROPs is probably equivalent. The AA SWUs kill DL's, the domestic F experience is more "first class", the lounges are better, and the companion upgrade program works like it should. DL has a better international network.
As an AA EXP I'm not excited to see it given away like this, especially after the deluge of UA refugees last year. But I would be surprised if there were many DL takers. EXP is much more of a lateral move from DM than it was from 1K. Upgrade rates, CS and treatment in IROPs is probably equivalent. The AA SWUs kill DL's, the domestic F experience is more "first class", the lounges are better, and the companion upgrade program works like it should. DL has a better international network.
I don't think AA is scheduled to begin upgrading existing aircraft until 2014???
Jan 17, 13, 7:40 pm
#49
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Originally Posted by Deadtail
If you only get 8 SWU's, a trip from for instance LAX-FRA would eat up four of them RT, assuming you need to use one per segment. So two trips to Europe and your back in J. Plus, I think Delta's every seat has isle access layouts is very underestimated.
Jan 17, 13, 7:40 pm
#50
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Originally Posted by Deadtail
Delta's every seat has isle access layouts is very underestimated.
Jan 17, 13, 7:42 pm
#51
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Originally Posted by Deadtail
If you only get 8 SWU's, a trip from for instance LAX-FRA would eat up four of them RT, assuming you need to use one per segment. So two trips to Europe and your back in J without a method to upgrade to F. Plus, I think Delta's every seat has isle access layouts is very underestimated.
I don't think AA is scheduled to begin upgrading existing aircraft until 2014???
I don't think AA is scheduled to begin upgrading existing aircraft until 2014???
Jan 17, 13, 7:48 pm
#52
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Originally Posted by rwoman
My residence is a UK address but my US-issued credit cards (including DL AMEX) are tied to my APO (US) address. We'll see what happens. Most of my ST travel is on DL to/from the USA.
Jan 17, 13, 7:50 pm
#54
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Originally Posted by DiverDave
The AA 773s will be 10 across in Y, which will be wretched.
But in any case, life as an AA EXP is well above life as a Delta DM.
David
But in any case, life as an AA EXP is well above life as a Delta DM.
David
Jan 17, 13, 8:20 pm
#57
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Originally Posted by troyintn
IF they merge with USair this might mean something, but living in the south, AA has too little a footprint.
I like AA. I genuinely do. But they are not remotely the airline DL is in terms of network and reach.
Jan 17, 13, 9:31 pm
#58
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Originally Posted by FlyDeltaJets87
Exactly! This is targeting the Medallions who get status almost entirely through cheap Mileage Runs, and subsequently, take away upgrades and benefits from lower-tier Medallions, even if those lower-tier Medallions spend a heck of a lot more. I don't think Delta cares when people do an MR or two to bump up to the next level, but there are people who make doing MRs for pennies a lifestyle, and ultimately, these people are costing Delta more than they're bringing in. The people in that boat don't like hearing that necessarily, but that's the way it is. The only case those people have is they can argue that by buying cheap fares, they're still forcing others to buy higher fares or "buying a seat that would go unused" but that argument only goes so far. The point of the revenue requirement is to ensure that you're bringing in enough revenue to DL to justify the benefits you're receiving.
Now I'm glad AA is offering status challenges still. I'm planning to do one over the summer when I fly AA in F for my honeymoon so I can have status on two airlines, especially since with government travel, I don't always get a choice in the airline I fly and will be nice to have the status on AA if/when I'm required to fly AA.
Now I'm glad AA is offering status challenges still. I'm planning to do one over the summer when I fly AA in F for my honeymoon so I can have status on two airlines, especially since with government travel, I don't always get a choice in the airline I fly and will be nice to have the status on AA if/when I'm required to fly AA.
If there are unfilled seats on airplanes and a Mileage Runner is buying them for the sake of Mileage Running and earning status, EXTRA DEMAND TO FLY IS CREATED!! Take away that demand and you will STILL be offering low fares to be competitive but you fill less seats. If a flight goes out one seat empty because a Mileage runner left Delta for someone else, that is 4 cents per mile lost of pure profit (other than sparing having to give out a few useless skymiles)
