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RFDMinnesota Jan 16, 2013 12:41 pm

For those of us hub-captives, especially MSP and DTW, most of our fares are already over 10 cents per MQM...

StayingHomeIsBetter Jan 16, 2013 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by timmy83 (Post 20059698)
Interestingly, all of this information has been entirely scrubbed from their website. There was a link for info for the 2014 program, which was broken, but is now MIA.

Yet another embarrassing flop for DL IT?

Or just a preemptive shot across the bow to judge reaction? :D

bubbashow Jan 16, 2013 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by blug (Post 20059523)
Poor hub captive, I really feel for you.



"Nowhere for people to run."? geez

What kind of consumer would applaud for negative changes of a product because the producer killed the competitions? You may want to go advocate that the antitrust law is dead wrong.

The type of consumer that doesn't see the change as negative. I think SOMETHING needs to be done to thin the "elite" herd.

Dieuwer Jan 16, 2013 12:42 pm


Originally Posted by mhop1027 (Post 20060348)
Or it will provide incentive for you to get an Amex or to move spend to Amex that you normally wouldn't. Not to say that everyone will, but I think this makes sense from an Amex/DL perspective.

I do not have a DL AMEX for the simple reason that the Skymiles earned are not worth my credit card spend. How would the new program provide an incentive to change that??

howtofreetravel Jan 16, 2013 12:43 pm

I am israeli so can i just say i live in israel to avoid some of the changes?

gibraltar87 Jan 16, 2013 12:43 pm

time to start looking for another airline
 
I made GM last year and will make it again this year easily but once I reach the MQS and mileage threshold, there is no incentive for me to fly DL.

My international flights will easily total the 5K--once I reach 5K and 50K miles--off to another airline for status. First thing though is to achieve the highest status I can THIS year and status match

Builderman Jan 16, 2013 12:43 pm


Originally Posted by PNET (Post 20060291)
This is a step in the right direction but not enough - I'm all for status earned on the basis of revenue dollars and miles accrued/redeemed on the current non-revenue-linked basis. My problem is that if I buy five transcons in C for business (they average 3-3.5k each) and spend 15k but only fly 25k miles and earn 37.5k (with CoS MQM bonus) MQM, DL will still only give me silver. Meanwhile some kid or blogger with too much time on their hands will do 10 transcon MRs at $250/pop ($2.5k total) and earn Gold. Which customer is more valuable to the airline? Yet who is Gold and who is Silver? If airlines were smart, they'd change the status calculation or at least make the qualification based on miles flown OR dollars instead of AND.

Delta's briefly posted rules do just that (2.5k is only enough MQD for Silver).

bubbashow Jan 16, 2013 12:48 pm


Originally Posted by DL2SXM (Post 20060314)
So then did Delta think of what flyers like me will do who currently fly enough to earn at least 125K but who's spend threshold is low? If I know that I will only qualify for GM, or PM based on my MDS, then I will stop flying DL once I reach my MQM level and my MDS for that level and fly another airline. What inscentive do I have to stick with Delta between MDS levels if I know I will fall short of making DM?

I would argue that low-spend diamonds and plats are the flyers they are trying to encourage to fly other airlines.

Xeno Jan 16, 2013 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 20060207)
Guess I'm not seeing the part where SWUs would be more valuable. You need an M fare to use them, and now the 50% mqm bonus is gone. If they make M fares cheaper but make the SWU usable only on B+, then that only makes them even less valuable. B fares are quite a bit more than an M fare.

I think you and are have the same concern. I can't imagine spending over $5K on M fares - like I have done twice this year - and not getting the 50% boost.

In terms of the AMEX, I have a personal DL PL AMEX but airline tickets go on my office Corporate PL AMEX so do I need to change that to a DL reserve card?

Builderman Jan 16, 2013 12:52 pm

How this works with partners is the big wildcard here. I spent over 5k on tickets credited to DL last year, but much of that was not on DL. A lot of that was AF/KL to Europe with an onward connection. If I would have to spend the money on DL that would mean taking an extra US connection to get where I'm going for a total of two stops.

rylan Jan 16, 2013 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by bubbashow (Post 20060454)
I would argue that low-spend diamonds and plats are the flyers they are trying to encourage to fly other airlines.

Not just those, but ALL low-spend elites. I wouldn't be surprised if the current population of FOs and GM are casual flyers who buy cheap tickets for vacation/leisure travel mixed with some light travel for work. They'll be losing out big time too.

mikeef Jan 16, 2013 12:52 pm


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 20059593)

Seriously, though, I think this is just an indication of how unimportant some of you are. I received a personal call from Richard Anderson earlier today, much as I do for all impending announcements.

That makes sense. When he called me last night, he mentioned that he would be calling you today.

Mike

ClipperDelta Jan 16, 2013 12:54 pm


Originally Posted by PNET (Post 20060291)
My problem is that if I buy five transcons in C for business (they average 3-3.5k each) and spend 15k but only fly 25k miles and earn 37.5k (with CoS MQM bonus) MQM, DL will still only give me silver. Meanwhile some kid or blogger with too much time on their hands will do 10 transcon MRs at $250/pop ($2.5k total) and earn Gold. .

Huh? The kid blogger would in this case have Gold based on MQM, but Silver based on spend (It's $5K for Gold). MQM AND MQD would mean the blogger would only qualify for Silver, just like you...


Originally Posted by DL2SXM
So then did Delta think of what flyers like me will do who currently fly enough to earn at least 125K but who's spend threshold is low?.

Yes, actually they thought precisely of people like you..no offense, but seriously, getting to DM with a $5K spend??? That's like someone taking two deeply discounted S fares from JFK to Europe a year, and qualifying for Diamond? Sorry, but a DM who only spends $5K a year probably costs Delta more money than Delta makes from that DM!


Originally Posted by amolkold
Spend is the new loyalty..

That is, and should always have been, for any airline, or any profit-making company!!!

Vuelos Jan 16, 2013 12:57 pm


Originally Posted by dieuwer2 (Post 20059911)

www.delta.com


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 20060404)
Or just a preemptive shot across the bow to judge reaction? :D

Corp Comm isn't smart enough for that.


Originally Posted by ClipperDelta (Post 20060497)
Yes, actually they thought precisely of people like you..no offense, but seriously, getting to DM with a $5K spend??? That's like someone taking two deeply discounted S fares from JFK to Europe a year, and qualifying for Diamond? Sorry, but a DM who only spends $5K a year probably costs Delta more money than Delta makes from that DM!

@:-) (oops, that's me, I think. Thanks daddy AMEX and Rollover).

bubbashow Jan 16, 2013 1:02 pm

I think the midwest segment flyers that spend $1K a week on 1000 MQM will be the one's that will benefit under this program. I think if someone can show a $25,000 spend on only 25,000 mqms, there will be leeway and a judgement call that can be made to put them into a higher-level.

Hopefully so....they are the folks keeping DL going....not the jacka$$ flying RT 12 times to Istanbul on a $520 fare.


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