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Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners Master Thread

Old Nov 26, 14, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by rj123456 View Post
What happens after Dec 31 (I know they start allowing 1 ways, but are they eliminating stopovers or open jaws?
No more free stopovers. Open jaws will continue to be allowed (and double open jaws will start to be allowed) since all awards will be priced as one-ways starting Jan 1.


Originally Posted by rj123456 View Post
Well, actually I was using delta.com as a proxy for what I expect Alitalia agents to see what is available. I am hoping to use the 90K Alitalia US-North Asia award. Or am I being too optimistic? The reports on the AL board make it sound rather arduous.
If you are going to use Alitalia miles, then Delta's stopover and open jaw rules are irrelevant. The Delta.com award availability may be indicative, but there's no guarantee. It sounds like Alitalia does allow a free stopover on partner awards, but there's no guarantee the agents will know that or know how to do it. A useful recent resource:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...litalia-miles/
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Old Nov 26, 14, 4:27 pm
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Originally Posted by colerc View Post
It sounds like Alitalia does allow a free stopover on partner awards, but there's no guarantee the agents will know that or know how to do it. A useful recent resource:
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...litalia-miles/
Thanks a lot for the link. Good and RECENT article. A lot of the other blogs' posts were from 2012 and 2013.
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Old Nov 29, 14, 6:26 pm
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I just booked biz to Saigon with miles on Korean. Tips on how to manage the reservation via Korean's website for seat selection? Or best just to call?
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Old Nov 30, 14, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by doglover View Post
I just booked biz to Saigon with miles on Korean. Tips on how to manage the reservation via Korean's website for seat selection? Or best just to call?
Call. I think you need a KE FF# to use their website.
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Originally Posted by mnredfox View Post
Call. I think you need a KE FF# to use their website.
Not anymore. On the new site you can load up a reservation based on the ticket number (at long last!).

https://www.koreanair.com/global/en/...on-search.html

006 (DL) tickets load up just fine. It's actually KE issued tickets that I have a problem loading there.

If any problems, just do the online chat with KE and ask them to save your DL FF # to the res., select seats (only <3 months before flight), and you can also ask them to send you the KE receipt (if KE issued ticket), which will be handy to keep and have and will have the ticket change/refund terms/fees/etc. listed as well.
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Old Nov 30, 14, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ View Post
Not anymore. On the new site you can load up a reservation based on the ticket number (at long last!).

https://www.koreanair.com/global/en/...on-search.html

006 (DL) tickets load up just fine. It's actually KE issued tickets that I have a problem loading there.

If any problems, just do the online chat with KE and ask them to save your DL FF # to the res., select seats (only <3 months before flight), and you can also ask them to send you the KE receipt (if KE issued ticket), which will be handy to keep and have and will have the ticket change/refund terms/fees/etc. listed as well.
Good to know, last I flew KE was Feb.
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Old Dec 4, 14, 3:09 am
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KE Flights 2xxx blacked out?

I know this is meant for the AZ thread, but since there are far more DL member here...


I was trying to reserve (or rather check availability) for a KE flight (Seoul Gimpo) GMP-KIX (Osaka Kansai). The Alitalia agent told me that Korean Airlines flights with numbers greater than 2000 were NOT eligible for award flights.

KVStool shows the flight as being available.
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Old Dec 4, 14, 7:41 am
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Originally Posted by rj123456 View Post
I know this is meant for the AZ thread, but since there are far more DL member here...


I was trying to reserve (or rather check availability) for a KE flight (Seoul Gimpo) GMP-KIX (Osaka Kansai). The Alitalia agent told me that Korean Airlines flights with numbers greater than 2000 were NOT eligible for award flights.

KVStool shows the flight as being available.
It's possible that:
a) Your agent was misinformed
b) KE used to have flight numbers such that their own flights were all less than 2000, and 2000 and up were all codeshares on other airlines (which would not be eligible for miles redemption through the KE flight number), but AZ hasn't gotten the memo that this seems to have changed

Only recourse is to hang up and call again. And again and again if necessary. If you get a particularly helpful agent you could try prodding them with suggestions like, "That's strange, it shows as available on Delta's [or Air France's] website, could you double-check if that flight is available?"
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Old Dec 4, 14, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by rj123456 View Post
I was trying to reserve (or rather check availability) for a KE flight (Seoul Gimpo) GMP-KIX (Osaka Kansai). The Alitalia agent told me that Korean Airlines flights with numbers greater than 2000 were NOT eligible for award flights.

KVStool shows the flight as being available.
Those flights are definitely available for SkyTeam redemption purposes.
As colerc had already mentioned, it is either an agent error or AZ MM has an incorrect/outdated code-share exception range table.

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
GMP  Seoul Gimpo Intl KR [RKSS]
KIX  Osaka Kansai Intl JP [RJBB]
WED  01 Apr 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
KE         2725    GMP   09:05     KIX   10:45              CS+  YS+
KE         2727    GMP   16:55     KIX   18:35              CS+  YS+
KE         1209    GMP   09:40     CJU   10:45              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1243    GMP   09:00     CJU   10:05              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1205    GMP   08:00     CJU   09:05              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1245    GMP   17:00     CJU   18:05              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1225    GMP   16:30     CJU   17:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1229    GMP   16:15     CJU   17:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1223    GMP   15:30     CJU   16:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1221    GMP   14:50     CJU   15:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1219    GMP   14:05     CJU   15:10              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1217    GMP   13:15     CJU   14:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1215    GMP   12:30     CJU   13:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1213    GMP   12:25     CJU   13:30              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1211    GMP   11:10     CJU   12:15              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1203    GMP   07:25     CJU   08:30              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1201    GMP   06:50     CJU   07:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1115    GMP   14:00     PUS   14:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1113    GMP   13:00     PUS   13:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1111    GMP   12:00     PUS   12:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1109    GMP   11:00     PUS   11:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1107    GMP   10:00     PUS   10:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1105    GMP   09:00     PUS   09:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1103    GMP   08:00     PUS   08:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1101    GMP   07:00     PUS   07:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1305    GMP   13:25     KWJ   14:15              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1905    KWJ   16:25     CJU   17:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1901    KWJ   09:55     CJU   10:40
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1903    KWJ   13:25     CJU   14:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1905    KWJ   16:25     CJU   17:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00

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Old Dec 4, 14, 4:29 pm
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Thanks. Now Alitalia tells me that
a) they do not do mixed awards for Skyteam partners, so all flights have to be in the same class - and they won't allow me to "downgrade" to coach for the short segments.

b) The agent (slow but actually very nice, US phone no. rings in Tirana call center) has to check with the "main office" if arriving in GMP (Seoul Gimpo) and continuing on from ICN (Seoul Incheon) does not constitute a second open jaw. Itinerary now is LAX-ICN-KIX - open jaw HND-GMP stopover ICN-LAX.



Originally Posted by KVS View Post
Those flights are definitely available for SkyTeam redemption purposes.
As colerc had already mentioned, it is either an agent error or AZ MM has an incorrect/outdated code-share exception range table.

[KVS Tool 7.7.2/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
GMP  Seoul Gimpo Intl KR [RKSS]
KIX  Osaka Kansai Intl JP [RJBB]
WED  01 Apr 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Award Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------
KE         2725    GMP   09:05     KIX   10:45              CS+  YS+
KE         2727    GMP   16:55     KIX   18:35              CS+  YS+
KE         1209    GMP   09:40     CJU   10:45              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1243    GMP   09:00     CJU   10:05              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1205    GMP   08:00     CJU   09:05              CS+  YS0
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1245    GMP   17:00     CJU   18:05              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1225    GMP   16:30     CJU   17:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1229    GMP   16:15     CJU   17:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1223    GMP   15:30     CJU   16:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1221    GMP   14:50     CJU   15:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1219    GMP   14:05     CJU   15:10              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1217    GMP   13:15     CJU   14:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1215    GMP   12:30     CJU   13:35              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1213    GMP   12:25     CJU   13:30              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1211    GMP   11:10     CJU   12:15              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1203    GMP   07:25     CJU   08:30              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1201    GMP   06:50     CJU   07:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1115    GMP   14:00     PUS   14:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1113    GMP   13:00     PUS   13:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1111    GMP   12:00     PUS   12:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1109    GMP   11:00     PUS   11:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1107    GMP   10:00     PUS   10:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1105    GMP   09:00     PUS   09:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1103    GMP   08:00     PUS   08:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1101    GMP   07:00     PUS   07:55              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     759     PUS   16:55     KIX   18:15
KE         1305    GMP   13:25     KWJ   14:15              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1905    KWJ   16:25     CJU   17:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1901    KWJ   09:55     CJU   10:40
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1903    KWJ   13:25     CJU   14:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
KE         1301    GMP   08:30     KWJ   09:20              CS+  YS+
 -> KE     1905    KWJ   16:25     CJU   17:10
 -> KE     733     CJU   19:30     KIX   21:00
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Old Dec 11, 14, 1:53 pm
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Originally Posted by rj123456 View Post
Thanks. Now Alitalia tells me that
a) they do not do mixed awards for Skyteam partners, so all flights have to be in the same class - and they won't allow me to "downgrade" to coach for the short segments.

b) The agent (slow but actually very nice, US phone no. rings in Tirana call center) has to check with the "main office" if arriving in GMP (Seoul Gimpo) and continuing on from ICN (Seoul Incheon) does not constitute a second open jaw. Itinerary now is LAX-ICN-KIX - open jaw HND-GMP stopover ICN-LAX.
Per post 1, please keep all booking questions to the discussion thread.

It appears you are trying to book an AZ award. I'd suggest you check that forum.
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Originally Posted by mnredfox View Post
Per post 1, please keep all booking questions to the discussion thread.

It appears you are trying to book an AZ award. I'd suggest you check that forum.
All of the 3 members of that forum have already responded j/k
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Originally Posted by mnredfox View Post
ME - Middle East Airlines
Award classes (J/Y): R/X
Upgrade classes (J): R
Blackout dates:
Best search method: KVS
Long sell:
EF availability: NA
KVS availability: R/X
YQ:
Hubs: BEY
Best route:
Other tips:
I just booked an award flight on ME in business. A few things worth noting:

Fare class: Business ("Cedar Class") is appearing as O on my reservation, not R.
Booking method: You do have to call DL to book ME flights (not searchable online), but the process went smoothly -- no long sell required.
YQ: ME did charge me YQ. It came out to USD $90.00 for BEY-LHR.
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Old Dec 26, 14, 11:55 am
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I was following this thread since I want to take family of 4 may be to Europe (from LAX to AMS and ZAG or something) next June/July with SO in AMS before the axe falls on SO (Dec 31st).

On EF I do not see and option to select O and X on KLM as the sticky suggests. Even though I manually add O and X EF only returns 9 seats every day around June 3 as following:

Economy - Flex Award (class B)

On KLM web site I see 25K Classic Award that I think corresponds to EF but not sure. Does anyone know if these can be booked by calling DL as saver economy? I dont care about Biz/First.
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I was following this thread since I want to take family of 4 may be to Europe (from LAX to AMS and ZAG or something) next June/July with SO in AMS before the axe falls on SO (Dec 31st).

On EF I do not see and option to select O and X on KLM as the sticky suggests. Even though I manually add O and X EF only returns 9 seats every day around June 3 as following:

Economy - Flex Award (class B)

On KLM web site I see 25K Classic Award that I think corresponds to EF but not sure. Does anyone know if these can be booked by calling DL as saver economy? I dont care about Biz/First.
Check delta.com, KLM availability is shown there, search each segment individually, by schedule. If dl.com sees it, agents can book it. Generally speaking, classic awards on AF/KLM are available to redeem with DL miles.
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