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Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners Master Thread

Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners Master Thread

Old Jan 28, 18, 9:33 am
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Originally Posted by knit-in View Post
That sounds like potentially a few HUCAs

Hopefully, I'll be able to make it happen.
Good luck!

My rule of thumb is that I expect it to take - in worst case, as long to book a set of flights with Delta as is the flying time. Quite a few times it has proven to be true. (e.g. takes 5 hours of phone calls to book a 5 hour flight, 12 hours over several weeks to book 12 hours worth of flights, etc.). Sometimes it even takes longer (that is usually when I give up though).
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Old Jan 28, 18, 4:49 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ View Post
Good luck!

My rule of thumb is that I expect it to take - in worst case, as long to book a set of flights with Delta as is the flying time. Quite a few times it has proven to be true. (e.g. takes 5 hours of phone calls to book a 5 hour flight, 12 hours over several weeks to book 12 hours worth of flights, etc.). Sometimes it even takes longer (that is usually when I give up though).
One of the flights is 18 hours with the layover! I guess I should be pushing for the 12 hour option then
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Old Jan 31, 18, 10:51 am
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Originally Posted by RealHJ View Post
Yes, if they do it correctly (there's a convoluted way to do it to avoid it from overcharging you; many agents will just gladly overcharge).

Remember that dullta.com cannot be used for direct origin to destination searches reliably. It often will not show the most logical, shortest routing and shortest connections. You have to search segment by segment, then call to book the trip. (The opposite is true if you are flying on DL, however.)
Spot on. Use a point to point search to first find availability then try to find an agent to massage the flights to get to the correct award level. Harder these days with unpublished levels.
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Old Feb 4, 18, 10:11 am
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Originally Posted by mnredfox View Post


Spot on. Use a point to point search to first find availability then try to find an agent to massage the flights to get to the correct award level. Harder these days with unpublished levels.
Just lost my status with DL, so is probably going to be harder to do.

Still checking EF feverishly to find seats.

Fingers are crossed.
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Old Feb 4, 18, 11:23 am
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ICN-TYO award on Korean

I'm not really a frequent flyer in Skyteam but occasionally I do have a flight with this alliance and send those miles to Delta.

Now I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use these for an award on Korean flying ICN-TYO.
Delta.com only shows MU flights but I already noticed in the sticky that KE flight availability is not working that well on Delta.com
Unfortunately, I do not have the KVS tool.

I suppose I will need to call Delta but before I do so could somebody tell me how many miles (+ USD) this award would cost me approx?
I haven't got a clue really...
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Old Feb 4, 18, 11:29 am
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Originally Posted by kcaluwae View Post
I'm not really a frequent flyer in Skyteam but occasionally I do have a flight with this alliance and send those miles to Delta.

Now I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use these for an award on Korean flying ICN-TYO.
Delta.com only shows MU flights but I already noticed in the sticky that KE flight availability is not working that well on Delta.com
Unfortunately, I do not have the KVS tool.

I suppose I will need to call Delta but before I do so could somebody tell me how many miles (+ USD) this award would cost me approx?
I haven't got a clue really...
4500 X and 7500 O, same as on MU or CZ or CI.

KE flights are not available Fri, Sat, Sun (usually) and not during blackout dates. Check the extensive DL blackout dates for KE first and make sure to search and book your travel outside of blackout dates, during Mon-Thu.

What you see online is what the agents see.

Just go and search online and you'll see plenty of availability on Mon-Thu outside of the DL blackout periods for KE (and if you are lucky, on Fri-Sun also - sometimes).

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Old Feb 4, 18, 11:31 am
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Originally Posted by kcaluwae View Post
I'm not really a frequent flyer in Skyteam but occasionally I do have a flight with this alliance and send those miles to Delta.

Now I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use these for an award on Korean flying ICN-TYO.
Delta.com only shows MU flights but I already noticed in the sticky that KE flight availability is not working that well on Delta.com
Unfortunately, I do not have the KVS tool.

I suppose I will need to call Delta but before I do so could somebody tell me how many miles (+ USD) this award would cost me approx?
I haven't got a clue really...
Help others so they can help you - provide details. Are you looking for economy or business?
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Old Feb 4, 18, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by kcaluwae View Post
I'm not really a frequent flyer in Skyteam but occasionally I do have a flight with this alliance and send those miles to Delta.

Now I was wondering if it would be a good idea to use these for an award on Korean flying ICN-TYO.
Delta.com only shows MU flights but I already noticed in the sticky that KE flight availability is not working that well on Delta.com
Unfortunately, I do not have the KVS tool.

I suppose I will need to call Delta but before I do so could somebody tell me how many miles (+ USD) this award would cost me approx?
I haven't got a clue really...
Unfortunately, DL does not publish an award chart so one can't say for sure. Not so sure if the DL agents will be able to either unless they see real award inventory. A clue might be in what the website quotes for the MU availability that you are seeing.
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Old Feb 6, 18, 4:36 pm
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Hello.

I'm hoping to use Skymiles for a one-way business class trip to Africa.
Specifically, I'm looking at JFK-CDG-NKC, with the JFK-CDG leg booked on Delta so that it prices at 80K Skymiles.

On December 23rd, there is low-level availability on DL404 from JFK-CDG (as verified on Delta.com)
[NB: availability disappeared since I made this post, but DL46 (JFK-AMS) to KL1223 (AMS-CDG) is currently available]

On December 24th, there is low-level availability on AF724 from CDG-NKC (as verified on Delta.com and Airfrance.com)

This itinerary is bookable using cash (i.e. a legal booking), and also using Flyingblue miles (100K, plus a hefty fee).

However, when I try to book JFK-NKC on Delta.com, the only options that are provided have Air France as the overwater carrier, which means the cost is 95K Skymiles.
I've called Delta twice to have them marry together these two segments, but they seem unable to do so.

Any thoughts on steps I can take to make this itinerary happen?

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Old Feb 6, 18, 4:53 pm
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DL uses married segment logic on awards now. Just because there is "low" availability on the two individual segments does not mean there will low availability for a through award fare involving the two segments.
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Old Feb 6, 18, 4:57 pm
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Originally Posted by LBJ View Post
DL uses married segment logic on awards now. Just because there is "low" availability on the two individual segments does not mean there will low availability for a through award fare involving the two segments.
Is this new? The guide at the start of this section says "Lastly, keep in mind there are NO married segments in award tickets for partners (DL metal only itins may have married segments)."
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Old Feb 6, 18, 4:58 pm
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Originally Posted by grlmopz View Post
Is this new? The guide at the start of this section says "Lastly, keep in mind there are NO married segments in award tickets for partners (DL metal only itins may have married segments)."
To the best of my knowledge, what you are quoting here is correct.

If you simply stay away from ANY DL flights, then there should be no "married segment logic." The moment you bring in a DL flight, then, well, no rules and no logic applies (at least, that is known to anyone outside of DL Rev Mgmt).

But, on some routes, non-DL flights may cost you more than DL flights. So, you get some, and you lose some.
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Old Feb 6, 18, 5:13 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ View Post
To the best of my knowledge, what you are quoting here is correct.

If you simply stay away from ANY DL flights, then there should be no "married segment logic." The moment you bring in a DL flight, then, well, no rules and no logic applies (at least, that is known to anyone outside of DL Rev Mgmt).

But, on some routes, non-DL flights may cost you more than DL flights. So, you get some, and you lose some.
OK, thanks. The guide implies that only all-DL-metal flights are potentially subjected to married segment logic, but it seems that statement might need to be tweaked a bit now.
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Old Feb 6, 18, 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ View Post
To the best of my knowledge, what you are quoting here is correct.

If you simply stay away from ANY DL flights, then there should be no "married segment logic." The moment you bring in a DL flight, then, well, no rules and no logic applies (at least, that is known to anyone outside of DL Rev Mgmt).

But, on some routes, non-DL flights may cost you more than DL flights. So, you get some, and you lose some.
Thank you, I didn't know that. I'm going to try calling about an award from SGN-JFK via LHR. Both segments are available as low, but the full itinerary doesn't show up. Wish me luck.
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Old Feb 6, 18, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyTheFriendlyMonkey View Post
Thank you, I didn't know that. I'm going to try calling about an award from SGN-JFK via LHR. Both segments are available as low, but the full itinerary doesn't show up. Wish me luck.
You cannot fly over Atlantic. It'll price as two separate awards. So I mean you can fly that way, but just be prepared to pay additive pricing of two awards.

If you want it as one award, pick routing something like SGN-NRT-JFK, SGN-ICN-JFK, SGN-CAN-JFK, SGN-PVG-JFK, etc.
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