Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread
Sep 24, 2013, 8:19 pm
#361
Join Date: Sep 2007
Posts: 198
Insanely more, ESP for TPAC. CZ has always been reasonable on YQ, even internationally. My BE flight from US to Japan and China costs $85 total in taxes and fees on DL and KE metal. Add a single MU international leg it goes to $590.
I much prefer CZ, but the past few years it appears MU has more options in northern China and also intra-Asia. And finding availability on MU has always been a huge pain between lack of award availability and needing to do long sells. MU used to work on EF, but not reliably in 2+ years.
I much prefer CZ, but the past few years it appears MU has more options in northern China and also intra-Asia. And finding availability on MU has always been a huge pain between lack of award availability and needing to do long sells. MU used to work on EF, but not reliably in 2+ years.
Oct 27, 2013, 8:03 pm
#362
formerly known as Tad's Broiled Steaks
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,412
Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
Oct 28, 2013, 1:43 pm
#363
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,983
Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
http://boardingarea.com/viewfromthew...lounge-riyadh/
Oct 29, 2013, 4:17 pm
#364
formerly known as Tad's Broiled Steaks
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,412
There is a multi-part trip report on Saudia (including lounges) and if you still want to go, I think you may receive better answers if you ask your questions there:
http://boardingarea.com/viewfromthew...lounge-riyadh/
http://boardingarea.com/viewfromthew...lounge-riyadh/
Though it states that as a a woman of a certain age/marital status, she wasn't able to get a transit visa. Getting a transit visa would be the only reason for me to fly SV!
Nov 13, 2013, 9:46 am
#365
Join Date: Sep 2005
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Is all AF award inventory gone off delta.dumb?? I see nothing, no flights on any day CDG -> US for next June. I just about checked every date.
It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).
AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).
AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
Nov 13, 2013, 10:14 am
#366
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,983
Is all AF award inventory gone off delta.dumb?? I see nothing, no flights on any day CDG -> US for next June. I just about checked every date.
It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).
AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).
AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
Nov 13, 2013, 11:35 am
#367
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[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG] ATL Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL] TUE 17 Jun 2014 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF 682 CDG 10:45 ATL 14:15 CA9 WM9 YS9 AF 688 CDG 13:35 ATL 17:00 CA9 WX0 YS9 KL 1224 CDG 08:45 AMS 10:00 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1228 CDG 09:35 AMS 10:55 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1230 CDG 10:20 AMS 11:40 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1234 CDG 14:40 AMS 15:55 CA9 WX/ YM9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 DL 632 CDG 14:00 PIT 17:10 CS0 WS/ YS+ -> DL 2313 PIT 19:10 ATL 20:59 AF 356 CDG 13:55 YYZ 16:05 CS9 WX0 YX0 -> DL 5186 YYZ 18:30 ATL 20:51
Code:
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE 17 Jun 2014
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------------------------
Redemption Blocked/Route Too Complex
Nov 13, 2013, 3:30 pm
#368
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Columbia, SC
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So why does then AlaskaAir.com see it?
CDG to ATL 9h 25m | Details | Seats
Air France 688 CDG 1:35 pm ATL 5:00 pm
32.5k +
$99.90
CDG to ATL 9h 25m | Details | Seats
Air France 688 CDG 1:35 pm ATL 5:00 pm
32.5k +
$99.90
Indeed, partner redemptions on those dates are blocked by AF, as previously discussed in the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l#post19341014 Thread:
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG] ATL Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL] TUE 17 Jun 2014 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------- AF 682 CDG 10:45 ATL 14:15 CA9 WM9 YS9 AF 688 CDG 13:35 ATL 17:00 CA9 WX0 YS9 KL 1224 CDG 08:45 AMS 10:00 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1228 CDG 09:35 AMS 10:55 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1230 CDG 10:20 AMS 11:40 CA9 WX/ YS9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 KL 1234 CDG 14:40 AMS 15:55 CA9 WX/ YM9 -> KL 621 AMS 16:50 ATL 20:20 DL 632 CDG 14:00 PIT 17:10 CS0 WS/ YS+ -> DL 2313 PIT 19:10 ATL 20:59 AF 356 CDG 13:55 YYZ 16:05 CS9 WX0 YX0 -> DL 5186 YYZ 18:30 ATL 20:51
Code:
CDG Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE 17 Jun 2014
Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive A/C St Availability
--------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------------------------------
Redemption Blocked/Route Too Complex
Nov 13, 2013, 6:37 pm
#370
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That could well be it (or, perhaps, someone at AF-KL simply forgot to block AS in their system).
Nov 14, 2013, 5:44 am
#371
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Nov 14, 2013, 9:18 am
#372
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Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...
Thanks,
BMB
Nov 15, 2013, 12:52 pm
#373
formerly known as Tad's Broiled Steaks
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,412
Hi FT,
OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).
Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks,
BuildingMyBento
OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).
Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks,
BuildingMyBento
Nov 15, 2013, 1:40 pm
#374
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,983
Hi FT,
OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).
Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks,
BuildingMyBento
OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).
Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.
Thanks,
BuildingMyBento
Last edited by michael_v; Nov 15, 2013 at 1:59 pm
Nov 15, 2013, 8:21 pm
#375
formerly known as Tad's Broiled Steaks
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 6,412
There is a 4-segment limit each way on DL award tickets. They are also not likely to accept NYC-SIN via Europe. You may be able to book open-jaw for example NYC-CDG-OTP(stopover)-DXB, SIN-XXX-NYC and then use miles from other programs for a DXB-SIN one-way. OTP-DXB on RO will likely incur (modest) fuel surcharges.
Ah, so you reckon NA-Europe-Asia is a no-go? Have you tried booking it before anyway?
So, if I went west from NYC, could I do NYC-MEX (stop for a day)-TIJ-NRT-SIN? Would the MEX-NRT count as one segment (it stops in TIJ westbound because of MEX's elevation).