Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread
Apr 18, 2014, 1:09 am
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Hi, guys,
I'm interested in booking the new CZ JFK-CAN flights later this year. I already found the availability using AF website. But I can't find anything using DL website, is it because CZ awards are simply not bookable using DL website? Will DL charge a phone ticketing fee if I call to book? If DL website doesn't show CZ awards, is it safe to assume DL should charge the same tax & fees as I see on AF? DL website is a major PITA. TIA.
I'm interested in booking the new CZ JFK-CAN flights later this year. I already found the availability using AF website. But I can't find anything using DL website, is it because CZ awards are simply not bookable using DL website? Will DL charge a phone ticketing fee if I call to book? If DL website doesn't show CZ awards, is it safe to assume DL should charge the same tax & fees as I see on AF? DL website is a major PITA. TIA.
Apr 19, 2014, 12:52 am
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So is Air France pretty much a worthless ST partner for TATL awards? Delta doesn't even show AF flights with 'X' available on EF and available at the low level on AirFrance's website.
I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?
For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?
For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
Apr 19, 2014, 1:09 am
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So is Air France pretty much a worthless ST partner for TATL awards? Delta doesn't even show AF flights with 'X' available on EF and available at the low level on AirFrance's website.
I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?
For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?
For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
Apr 30, 2014, 3:24 am
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Apr 30, 2014, 2:51 pm
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Trying to put together a LED-PIT flight; ExpertFlyer.com shows the following availability:
AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9
AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9
If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9
AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9
If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
May 1, 2014, 11:48 am
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Trying to put together a LED-PIT flight; ExpertFlyer.com shows the following availability:
AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9
AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9
If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9
AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9
If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
May 2, 2014, 4:05 pm
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DL miles On Saudia
I have a problem booking with DL miles (what's new eh?)
Expertflyer shows D=9
KVS tool shows D=9
However, KVS DL Skyteam and AF Skyteam awards search shows no space.
Some days until Dec 1 show YS=9, but CS is always zero.
The agents are clueless
Does Saudia release only awards at 7 months?
I know (or can infer that D is shared between upgrades and awards)
So is there any other way to look for space or is that it?
Expertflyer shows D=9
KVS tool shows D=9
However, KVS DL Skyteam and AF Skyteam awards search shows no space.
Some days until Dec 1 show YS=9, but CS is always zero.
The agents are clueless
Does Saudia release only awards at 7 months?
I know (or can infer that D is shared between upgrades and awards)
So is there any other way to look for space or is that it?
May 2, 2014, 6:18 pm
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http://Help.KVSTool.com/#SV
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.7/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
LON London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY SEN QQS ZLS XQE RUH Riyadh King Khaled Intl SA [OERK] SUN 01 Feb 2015 | 1 Seat Carrier Flight From Depart To Arrive St Availability --------- ------ ---- -------- ---- -------- --- -- ------------ SV 120 LHR 10:40 RUH 20:10 CS0 YS+ AF 1381 LHR 06:40 CDG 09:00 CX0 YS9 -> SV 144 CDG 11:25 RUH 19:40 AF 1081 LHR 07:10 CDG 09:25 CX0 YS9 -> SV 144 CDG 11:25 RUH 19:40 AZ 201 LHR 06:45 FCO 10:15 CS0 YS+ -> SV 208 FCO 15:20 RUH 22:15 DL 1 LHR 10:15 JFK 13:15 CS0 YS+ -> SV 22 JFK 20:30 RUH 16:25 +1 DL 2 LHR 11:30 JFK 14:39 CS0 YS+ -> SV 22 JFK 20:30 RUH 16:25 +1 KL 1024 LHR 18:10 AMS 20:30 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1341 AMS 10:45 +1 CDG 12:00 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1024 LHR 18:10 AMS 20:30 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1241 AMS 09:30 +1 CDG 10:45 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1024 LHR 18:10 AMS 20:30 CA9 YX9 -> KL 1227 AMS 07:10 +1 CDG 08:35 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1024 LHR 18:10 AMS 20:30 CX9 YX9 -> KL 1229 AMS 08:00 +1 CDG 09:25 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1028 LHR 20:15 AMS 22:30 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1341 AMS 10:45 +1 CDG 12:00 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1028 LHR 20:15 AMS 22:30 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1241 AMS 09:30 +1 CDG 10:45 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1028 LHR 20:15 AMS 22:30 CX9 YX9 -> KL 1229 AMS 08:00 +1 CDG 09:25 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1028 LHR 20:15 AMS 22:30 CA9 YX9 -> KL 1227 AMS 07:10 +1 CDG 08:35 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1032 LHR 20:25 AMS 22:50 CX9 YM9 -> KL 1229 AMS 08:00 +1 CDG 09:25 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1032 LHR 20:25 AMS 22:50 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1341 AMS 10:45 +1 CDG 12:00 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1032 LHR 20:25 AMS 22:50 CX0 YM9 -> AF 1241 AMS 09:30 +1 CDG 10:45 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1 KL 1032 LHR 20:25 AMS 22:50 CA9 YX9 -> KL 1227 AMS 07:10 +1 CDG 08:35 +1 -> AF 3862 CDG 13:30 +1 RUH 21:35 +1
May 2, 2014, 7:53 pm
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And for a revenue flight, fare bucket availability without fare rules and married segment availability is useless. One should just search for complete itineraries.
May 19, 2014, 4:01 pm
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Tried unsuccessfully to redeem for two CZ LAX-CAN-BKK awards later this year (October). Confirmed there was plenty of availability via EF and AF.com in business class but spoke to 3 Delta agents, all of whom appeared highly competent, and they reported seeing no seats available.
Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
May 20, 2014, 12:53 pm
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Tried unsuccessfully to redeem for two CZ LAX-CAN-BKK awards later this year (October). Confirmed there was plenty of availability via EF and AF.com in business class but spoke to 3 Delta agents, all of whom appeared highly competent, and they reported seeing no seats available.
Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
May 20, 2014, 3:20 pm
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May 20, 2014, 3:24 pm
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Anyone know how Korean Air handles upgrades to elites during blackout peroids? I ask because I'm flying HNL->ICN this Saturday and the 742 is mostly empty up front. I'm on a Y fare, but since the blackout dates are in effect now, I can't upgrade.
I have a feeling they'll likekly fly those seats empty than upgrade elites, but worth a shot to ask if anyone has seen them do something like this in the past?
I have a feeling they'll likekly fly those seats empty than upgrade elites, but worth a shot to ask if anyone has seen them do something like this in the past?
May 22, 2014, 3:01 pm
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AF Availability on alaskair.com vs delta.dumb
Looking to book a LHR-ATL roundtrip (mid June-mid Aug)... I can see AF low level awards for return segment on alaskair.com but neither the DL website nor the agent has been able to find them. To top that, the roundtrip on Alaska is pricing at 60k plus approx. $200 taxes but on delta the best I am getting is at 60k / $600 taxes.
Any tips on how to score the flights/taxes showing on Alaska using my skymiles?
PS: Checked past threads but could not find any recent mention of AF availability on alaska versus delta sites. Apologies if I missed something.
Any tips on how to score the flights/taxes showing on Alaska using my skymiles?
PS: Checked past threads but could not find any recent mention of AF availability on alaska versus delta sites. Apologies if I missed something.