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Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread

Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread

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Old Apr 18, 14, 1:09 am
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Originally Posted by allanfan View Post
Hi, guys,

I'm interested in booking the new CZ JFK-CAN flights later this year. I already found the availability using AF website. But I can't find anything using DL website, is it because CZ awards are simply not bookable using DL website? Will DL charge a phone ticketing fee if I call to book? If DL website doesn't show CZ awards, is it safe to assume DL should charge the same tax & fees as I see on AF? DL website is a major PITA. TIA.
Sadly DL charges fees regardless, this is why it is a PITA that you can't book most partners on DL's website. Call DL, see if they will do a hold (unlikely) and then book it online.
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Old Apr 19, 14, 12:52 am
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So is Air France pretty much a worthless ST partner for TATL awards? Delta doesn't even show AF flights with 'X' available on EF and available at the low level on AirFrance's website.

I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?

For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
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Old Apr 19, 14, 1:09 am
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Originally Posted by vxmike View Post
So is Air France pretty much a worthless ST partner for TATL awards? Delta doesn't even show AF flights with 'X' available on EF and available at the low level on AirFrance's website.

I know they've been quirky for a while. Has anyone had luck with phone agents finding flights that should be available?

For example on the AF website I can see BUD-CDG-DTW available at the 25K level which I believe means it should be available to Delta not the "faux" availability, correct? EF doesn't even show the TATL segment as available and of course Delta.com won't either.
Flights on AF metal on AF website are not necessarily available to DL, it has been like this for a couple of years now. We should put this information in wiki, this question is asked pretty often.
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Old Apr 29, 14, 9:43 pm
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I'm looking to book two reward tickets on Aeromexico from MCO to MEX around April 2015. Is there a better way to go about this than the 35,000 Skymile per ticket price listed on the Delta/Alaska websites?
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Old Apr 30, 14, 3:24 am
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Originally Posted by fakemadrid View Post
I'm looking to book two reward tickets on Aeromexico from MCO to MEX around April 2015. Is there a better way to go about this than the 35,000 Skymile per ticket price listed on the Delta/Alaska websites?
I don't think so.
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Old Apr 30, 14, 2:51 pm
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Trying to put together a LED-PIT flight; ExpertFlyer.com shows the following availability:

AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9


AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9

If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
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Old May 1, 14, 11:48 am
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Originally Posted by highlanderfil View Post
Trying to put together a LED-PIT flight; ExpertFlyer.com shows the following availability:

AF 4849 0 LED
07/17/14 10:00 AM CDG
07/17/14 11:40 AM 320
Daily
NA / NA J9 C9 D3 I3 Z3 W9 S9 Y9 B9 A9 M9 U9 H9 T9 K9 Q9 L9 E9 N9 R9 V9


AF (DL) 8618 0 CDG
07/17/14 1:30 PM PIT
07/17/14 4:19 PM 752
Su,M,T,Th,F
NA / NA J8 C6 D6 I3 Z0 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L9 Q9 T9 N9 R9 V9

If I'm trying to book the cheapest seat available, which fare class should I be paying attention to? Also, I called Delta and it seems that they don't see this flight as existing AT ALL. What's my best bet here?
Are you trying to book a revenue or award flight? For award flight, looking at revenue booking classes is useless.
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Old May 2, 14, 4:05 pm
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DL miles On Saudia

I have a problem booking with DL miles (what's new eh?)

Expertflyer shows D=9
KVS tool shows D=9

However, KVS DL Skyteam and AF Skyteam awards search shows no space.
Some days until Dec 1 show YS=9, but CS is always zero.

The agents are clueless
Does Saudia release only awards at 7 months?
I know (or can infer that D is shared between upgrades and awards)
So is there any other way to look for space or is that it?
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Old May 2, 14, 6:18 pm
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Originally Posted by ffI View Post
KVS tool shows D=9

However, KVS DL Skyteam and AF Skyteam awards search shows no space.
Some days until Dec 1 show YS=9, but CS is always zero.
As noted in the KVS Tool User Guide, the only recommended Method for SV Partner Award Availability is [Awards/SkyTeam]:

http://Help.KVSTool.com/#SV

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.7/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
LON  London Metro UK = LHR LGW STN LTN LCY SEN QQS ZLS XQE
RUH  Riyadh King Khaled Intl SA [OERK]
SUN  01 Feb 2015 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------
SV         120     LHR   10:40     RUH   20:10              CS0  YS+
AF         1381    LHR   06:40     CDG   09:00              CX0  YS9
 -> SV     144     CDG   11:25     RUH   19:40
AF         1081    LHR   07:10     CDG   09:25              CX0  YS9
 -> SV     144     CDG   11:25     RUH   19:40
AZ         201     LHR   06:45     FCO   10:15              CS0  YS+
 -> SV     208     FCO   15:20     RUH   22:15
DL         1       LHR   10:15     JFK   13:15              CS0  YS+
 -> SV     22      JFK   20:30     RUH   16:25 +1
DL         2       LHR   11:30     JFK   14:39              CS0  YS+
 -> SV     22      JFK   20:30     RUH   16:25 +1
KL         1024    LHR   18:10     AMS   20:30              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1341    AMS   10:45 +1  CDG   12:00 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1024    LHR   18:10     AMS   20:30              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1241    AMS   09:30 +1  CDG   10:45 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1024    LHR   18:10     AMS   20:30              CA9  YX9
 -> KL     1227    AMS   07:10 +1  CDG   08:35 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1024    LHR   18:10     AMS   20:30              CX9  YX9
 -> KL     1229    AMS   08:00 +1  CDG   09:25 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1028    LHR   20:15     AMS   22:30              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1341    AMS   10:45 +1  CDG   12:00 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1028    LHR   20:15     AMS   22:30              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1241    AMS   09:30 +1  CDG   10:45 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1028    LHR   20:15     AMS   22:30              CX9  YX9
 -> KL     1229    AMS   08:00 +1  CDG   09:25 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1028    LHR   20:15     AMS   22:30              CA9  YX9
 -> KL     1227    AMS   07:10 +1  CDG   08:35 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1032    LHR   20:25     AMS   22:50              CX9  YM9
 -> KL     1229    AMS   08:00 +1  CDG   09:25 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1032    LHR   20:25     AMS   22:50              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1341    AMS   10:45 +1  CDG   12:00 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1032    LHR   20:25     AMS   22:50              CX0  YM9
 -> AF     1241    AMS   09:30 +1  CDG   10:45 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
KL         1032    LHR   20:25     AMS   22:50              CA9  YX9
 -> KL     1227    AMS   07:10 +1  CDG   08:35 +1
 -> AF     3862    CDG   13:30 +1  RUH   21:35 +1
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Old May 2, 14, 7:53 pm
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Originally Posted by michael_v View Post
Are you trying to book a revenue or award flight? For award flight, looking at revenue booking classes is useless.
And for a revenue flight, fare bucket availability without fare rules and married segment availability is useless. One should just search for complete itineraries.
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Old May 19, 14, 4:01 pm
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Tried unsuccessfully to redeem for two CZ LAX-CAN-BKK awards later this year (October). Confirmed there was plenty of availability via EF and AF.com in business class but spoke to 3 Delta agents, all of whom appeared highly competent, and they reported seeing no seats available.

Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
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Old May 20, 14, 12:53 pm
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Tried unsuccessfully to redeem for two CZ LAX-CAN-BKK awards later this year (October). Confirmed there was plenty of availability via EF and AF.com in business class but spoke to 3 Delta agents, all of whom appeared highly competent, and they reported seeing no seats available.

Got booked on CI instead on the same route with similar (slightly better) schedule, but was bummed they could not secure the CZ space that seemed to be available as I really do not like the CI J product very much. Are they blocking certain partner award space?
Did you try long sells?
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Old May 20, 14, 3:20 pm
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Did you try long sells?
Yes, the middle of my 3 agents tried long selling and even called a help desk but was not seeing any availability. I checked multiple days in either direction, all of which had >2 seats. DL showed no availability for any of them.
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Old May 20, 14, 3:24 pm
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Anyone know how Korean Air handles upgrades to elites during blackout peroids? I ask because I'm flying HNL->ICN this Saturday and the 742 is mostly empty up front. I'm on a Y fare, but since the blackout dates are in effect now, I can't upgrade.

I have a feeling they'll likekly fly those seats empty than upgrade elites, but worth a shot to ask if anyone has seen them do something like this in the past?
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Old May 22, 14, 3:01 pm
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AF Availability on alaskair.com vs delta.dumb

Looking to book a LHR-ATL roundtrip (mid June-mid Aug)... I can see AF low level awards for return segment on alaskair.com but neither the DL website nor the agent has been able to find them. To top that, the roundtrip on Alaska is pricing at 60k plus approx. $200 taxes but on delta the best I am getting is at 60k / $600 taxes.

Any tips on how to score the flights/taxes showing on Alaska using my skymiles?

PS: Checked past threads but could not find any recent mention of AF availability on alaska versus delta sites. Apologies if I missed something.
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