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Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread

Using SkyMiles on SkyTeam & Other Partners: The Discussion Thread

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Old Sep 24, 13, 8:19 pm
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Originally Posted by mnredfox View Post
Insanely more, ESP for TPAC. CZ has always been reasonable on YQ, even internationally. My BE flight from US to Japan and China costs $85 total in taxes and fees on DL and KE metal. Add a single MU international leg it goes to $590.

I much prefer CZ, but the past few years it appears MU has more options in northern China and also intra-Asia. And finding availability on MU has always been a huge pain between lack of award availability and needing to do long sells. MU used to work on EF, but not reliably in 2+ years.
Wow. I did not know it had increased that much! I flew PVG-JFK segment on MU and the total taxes were less than $150 (also included MEL-PVG on FM Shanghai Airlines).
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Old Oct 27, 13, 8:03 pm
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Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?

I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...

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Old Oct 28, 13, 1:43 pm
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Originally Posted by BuildingMyBento View Post
Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?

I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...

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There is a multi-part trip report on Saudia (including lounges) and if you still want to go, I think you may receive better answers if you ask your questions there:

http://boardingarea.com/viewfromthew...lounge-riyadh/
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Old Oct 29, 13, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by michael_v View Post
There is a multi-part trip report on Saudia (including lounges) and if you still want to go, I think you may receive better answers if you ask your questions there:

http://boardingarea.com/viewfromthew...lounge-riyadh/
Thanks for the link, michael_v.

Though it states that as a a woman of a certain age/marital status, she wasn't able to get a transit visa. Getting a transit visa would be the only reason for me to fly SV!
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Old Nov 13, 13, 9:46 am
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Is all AF award inventory gone off delta.dumb?? I see nothing, no flights on any day CDG -> US for next June. I just about checked every date.

It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).

AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
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Old Nov 13, 13, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by akcae View Post
Is all AF award inventory gone off delta.dumb?? I see nothing, no flights on any day CDG -> US for next June. I just about checked every date.

It makes me CRY how easy it is to see it on alaskaair.com. Calling the Medallion line didn't help, they're not even "supposed to" try to manually request partner space and are instructed to "trust" what the system shows (I could hear exasperation in the agent's voice).

AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
They are probably blacking out the peak summer season. CDG-IAH on 9/18/2014 shows available on delta.com, for example.
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Old Nov 13, 13, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by akcae View Post
AF 688 shows available coach seats for 3 on 6/17, 18, 19 and 20, but nothing shows on delta.dumb, and phone agents don't see it either.
Originally Posted by michael_v View Post
They are probably blacking out the peak summer season. CDG-IAH on 9/18/2014 shows available on delta.com, for example.
Indeed, partner redemptions on those dates are blocked by AF, as previously discussed in the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l#post19341014 Thread:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE  17 Jun 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AF         682     CDG   10:45     ATL   14:15              CA9  WM9  YS9
AF         688     CDG   13:35     ATL   17:00              CA9  WX0  YS9
KL         1224    CDG   08:45     AMS   10:00              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1228    CDG   09:35     AMS   10:55              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1230    CDG   10:20     AMS   11:40              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1234    CDG   14:40     AMS   15:55              CA9  WX/  YM9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
DL         632     CDG   14:00     PIT   17:10              CS0  WS/  YS+
 -> DL     2313    PIT   19:10     ATL   20:59
AF         356     CDG   13:55     YYZ   16:05              CS9  WX0  YX0
 -> DL     5186    YYZ   18:30     ATL   20:51
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE  17 Jun 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------------------------
                                                            Redemption Blocked/Route Too Complex
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So why does then AlaskaAir.com see it?

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Originally Posted by KVS View Post
Indeed, partner redemptions on those dates are blocked by AF, as previously discussed in the http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...l#post19341014 Thread:

[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/SkyTeam/FR-AF]
Code:
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE  17 Jun 2014 | 1 Seat

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive         St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -------------
AF         682     CDG   10:45     ATL   14:15              CA9  WM9  YS9
AF         688     CDG   13:35     ATL   17:00              CA9  WX0  YS9
KL         1224    CDG   08:45     AMS   10:00              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1228    CDG   09:35     AMS   10:55              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1230    CDG   10:20     AMS   11:40              CA9  WX/  YS9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
KL         1234    CDG   14:40     AMS   15:55              CA9  WX/  YM9
 -> KL     621     AMS   16:50     ATL   20:20
DL         632     CDG   14:00     PIT   17:10              CS0  WS/  YS+
 -> DL     2313    PIT   19:10     ATL   20:59
AF         356     CDG   13:55     YYZ   16:05              CS9  WX0  YX0
 -> DL     5186    YYZ   18:30     ATL   20:51
[KVS Availability Tool 7.3.1/Diamond - Awards/JL-OneWorld/US]
Code:
CDG  Paris Charles De Gaulle/Roissy FR [LFPG]
ATL  Atlanta Hartsfield-Jackson Intl GA US [KATL]
TUE  17 Jun 2014

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  ------------------------------------
                                                            Redemption Blocked/Route Too Complex
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Old Nov 13, 13, 3:33 pm
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Remember reading some blog that said that AS accepted the mileage hike by AF and so has access to more availability.

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Old Nov 13, 13, 6:37 pm
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So why does then AlaskaAir.com see it?
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Remember reading some blog that said that AS accept the mileage hike by AF and so has access to more availability.
That could well be it (or, perhaps, someone at AF-KL simply forgot to block AS in their system).
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Old Nov 14, 13, 5:44 am
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That could well be it (or, perhaps, someone at AF-KL simply forgot to block AS in their system).
Or perhaps cause AS doesn't try to screw AF and every one of its partners.
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Old Nov 14, 13, 9:18 am
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Has anyone booked a SkyMiles SV award ticket lately?

I'd really like to do JFK-RUH-CGK (or KUL/SIN, only if that makes the layover possible) in J AND visit Riyadh during the layover. Fortunately, there's a Saudi consulate in New York, so I wonder how I could get a trip up the Kingdom Centre and a couple of meals out of the transit too...

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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/19792087-post37.html
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Old Nov 15, 13, 12:52 pm
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Hi FT,

OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).

Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.

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Hi FT,

OK, well I'll put my Saudia plans on the back burner for now, but as a true DL award travel rookie, I'd like to plan a very convoluted route from NYC to SIN for under 130K (roundtrip, though it's not like DL does one-ways for half the mileage anyway).

Yes. Something akin to NYC-ATL-(somewhere in Europe)-OTP (a couple of days stopover)-DXB-(somewhere on the way to SIN)-SIN. This would be booked in the next couple of weeks.

Thanks,
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There is a 4-segment limit each way on DL award tickets. They are also not likely to accept NYC-SIN via Europe. You may be able to book open-jaw for example NYC-CDG-OTP(stopover)-DXB, SIN-XXX-NYC and then use miles from other programs for a DXB-SIN one-way. OTP-DXB on RO will likely incur (modest) fuel surcharges.

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Old Nov 15, 13, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by michael_v View Post
There is a 4-segment limit each way on DL award tickets. They are also not likely to accept NYC-SIN via Europe. You may be able to book open-jaw for example NYC-CDG-OTP(stopover)-DXB, SIN-XXX-NYC and then use miles from other programs for a DXB-SIN one-way. OTP-DXB on RO will likely incur (modest) fuel surcharges.
Thanks for your reply, michael_v.

Ah, so you reckon NA-Europe-Asia is a no-go? Have you tried booking it before anyway?

So, if I went west from NYC, could I do NYC-MEX (stop for a day)-TIJ-NRT-SIN? Would the MEX-NRT count as one segment (it stops in TIJ westbound because of MEX's elevation).
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