FlyDeltaJets87

If Delta sells 5,000 MQMs for $495 and an itinerary where you will earn 5,000 MQMs for $250, DL is already coming out AT LEAST $245 ahead if you buy the MQMs instead of taking the MR for $250 r/t (esp. if that $250 includes taxes and airport fees, which DL doesn't get to keep). Your butt being in a seat still takes up more fuel than if the plane was empty. DL still provides you service on the plane (I was upgraded to F so I received a meal and booze and such), even if minimal, so was the price of my ticket. I then used four different SkyClubs during my mileage run, and the snacks and amenities I used will come out of DL's pocket for that. It doesn't take a lot before you realize what DL spent to transport my butt was more than the $250 I gave them, and that's why I think DL is very smart to offer these MQM options over MRs.

sethb

I didn't say anything about selling the MQMs being (or not) a much better deal for Delta than selling actual, used, seats; of course it is. I merely pointed out that selling the seat is more profitable than not selling the seat.

xliioper

Yes, and imagine how completely devalued the Medallion program and our banked RDM's (yes, it could get much worse than it is now) would be if DL allowed these virtual MR's. Further, how would DL know how many will no show and how much they can oversell?? It would completely throw their inventory management systems out of whack. Come on folks, it's just a plain bad idea.

TheRoadie

Totally depends on if you get upgraded. Woodford's not free.

FlyDeltaJets87

Actually according to an earlier post from MSPEconomist in this thread, this promo only gets you MQMs, not RDMs. So the miles are actually becoming less inflated through the allowing of virtual MRs than through actual MRs where RDMs are earned in addition to MQMs. Now you can argue the ranks are becoming inflated, but I argue that's not the case. Someone earning status through doing a real MR or a virtual MR ends with the same result: one more person among the ranks. Which route - real MR or virtual MR is better for that someone depends on the person and their circumstances. The latter route is most likely better for DL.

sethb

DL could easily require advance notification that a purchase is a virtual MR, and just apply the RDMs and MQMs to the customer's account without allocating anything to the flights.

xliioper

That addresses the inventory management somewhat, but not the Medallion inflation and mileage value devaluation. At any rate, I'm fairly confident has put more thought into such issues and would not actually create such a thing.

xliioper

I was not referring to this promo, I was referring to the made up virtual MR idea where people presumably believe you should get both MQM's and RDM's. Virtual MR's would potentially be far, far cheaper to earn MQM's than the rate being charged in the current program. Throw in no limit on earnings, and a huge RDM giveaway, and you have a real recipe for disastrous devaluation. There are many differences between a real MR and a virtual one that keeps the real MR's less frequently used and abused (I've already mentioned the various other expenses and issues). They are not the same at all, nor are virtual MR's similar to the current promo which is MQM capped, price managed, and does not include RDM's. Very different.

fti

Same result perhaps, but there certainly are far fewer people who will do a real MR vs. a virtual one. If DL (or any airline) opened the floodgates to do virtual MR's I think they would be shooting themselves in the foot. They cap any buy MQM's for a reason.

DCAproducer

My answer to your statement is this:
http://www.usairways.com/en-US/divid...preferred.html

Could you imagine if DL let you buy Diamond? (Aside from the Jet card)

HongKonger

Me too!

But I don't begrudge others the opportunity to buy their status or DL for selling it. It makes them a lot of money. Those who want status to be based on spend should applaud DL selling MQMs.

goingnow

Ultimately everyone buys their status in one way or another. Delta needs to maximize their profit and if that includes selling MQMs they should.

I appreciate any offers Delta chooses to make to those who care to partake. Thanks Delta!

sethb

What "current program"?

xliioper

I should have said the program that starts Dec 1.

xliioper

While I understand the desire for DL to maximize their profit and those who value the ability to simply purchase MQM's without flying, ultimately this is going to increase the size of the Medallion pool and make upgrades more difficult.