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With all due respect you obviously have little experience with this. I know many airlines that can not be ticketed on the same ticket as Delta and they are not LCC's. I know three people who recently booked a trip to India with 3 tickets. Combination of price and interline ticketing issues.
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Considering you can book both Jet and Air India on a ticket with DL, I suspect your friends' issues were either price-related or LCC-related. I won't say that it is obvious you don't have much experience with this, but there is at least some circumstantial evidence to that effect.
The fact of the matter is the FTer whom you are trying to discuss stated quite explicitly that it was a matter of the combination of price and interline ticketing issues. It is just as fti stated it in the very post you quoted, at least for all but the first sentence in that quoted post.
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There is no such evidence, circumstantial or otherwise, as some may wish to imagine.
The fact of the matter is the FTer whom you are trying to discuss stated quite explicitly that it was a matter of the combination of price and interline ticketing issues. It is just as fti stated it in the very post you quoted, at least for all but the first sentence in that quoted post.
The fact of the matter is the FTer whom you are trying to discuss stated quite explicitly that it was a matter of the combination of price and interline ticketing issues. It is just as fti stated it in the very post you quoted, at least for all but the first sentence in that quoted post.
People are wrong all the time (though, I'm usually not). It appears that fti is wrong here, vague anecdotes about people they know having indeterminate problems with unspecified carriers to unspecified destinations aside.
Perhaps if we stretched the definition of "Combination of price and interline ticketing issues" to include 100% price and 0% interline ticketing issue combinations, then sure, but otherwise, I'm convinced it is price. I'm not going to argue it is always as cheap to book a single ticket, because it isn't, but that doesn't mean it can't be done and, as far as I'm concerned, these sorts of hassles are simply part and parcel of trying to score a bargain.
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"Combination of price and interline ticketing issues."
That is what was stated.
The attempt to spin in the above post is amusing, as it is part of the season; but the stretching spin relies upon false representation.
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fti said it was a combination of price and interline ticketing issues. Read the very post you quoted:
"Combination of price and interline ticketing issues."
That is what was stated.
The attempt to spin in the above post is amusing, as it is part of the season; but the stretching spin relies upon false representation.
"Combination of price and interline ticketing issues."
That is what was stated.
The attempt to spin in the above post is amusing, as it is part of the season; but the stretching spin relies upon false representation.
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I can state that the earth is flat. That doesn't make it fact. I don't dispute that fti said it had to do with ticketing issues, but whether it actually did - I think fti is mistaken. There is no false representation (though your "creative" interpretation of what i said comes close) and no spin. But nice try anyway.
Nice try anyway, but I find the effort to spin flopped. Just my thought on the spin efforts.
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Your "100% price and 0% interline ticketing issue" line is not factually representative of fti's "[c[ombination of price and interline ticketing issues." Rather your line is representative of price alone with zero interline ticketing issue. Your line is quite different than what fti stated as intended.
Nice try anyway, but I find the effort to spin flopped. Just my thought on the spin efforts.
Nice try anyway, but I find the effort to spin flopped. Just my thought on the spin efforts.
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There was no "we" stretching -- just your post stretching.
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I had a somewhat crazy situation a couple years ago where I was using miles or a SWU to upgrade MSP-CDG and CDG-MSP. The trip was a stopover in Paris on the way to a destination served by AF. To get business class on the AF flight DL told me that it would be several thousand dollars cheaper on a separate ticket for the AF flight in one direction. This was a case of a close SkyTeam and JV partner. My understanding of the situation was that to have the single AF flight included would change the ticket from an M class open jaw plus a business class segment on the separate ticket to doing everything in full Y. It seemed crazy, but several DL DM agents insisted that these were my choices for the trip.
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This situation with saving ( larger amounts ) for TATL flights with an US connection by booking two seperate tickets are very common. Very often when DL/KL/AF pricing an TATL trip at 1k+ ( for example TXL-CDG-ATL-SAN ) the TATL part TXL-CDG-ATL can be booked on expedia/kayak whereever for something like $ 676 + the US connention as a seperate ticket for $ 283 ( all prices are made up by me ) saving you a couple hundred $ that way. I did this in the past and i'm certainly not the only one. And yes, i was always able to check the bags through.
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Because if they would do this, then perhaps American would check bags through for Delta's customers when the start out on AA (perhaps from a destination not served by Delta) and finish on Delta. Reciprocity among airlines has been an important part of travel for many years.
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Airlines checked your bags through to the final destinantion even if you were flying the final leg with a different airline using a different ticket, which was not conjuncted, as a courtesy. As its use grew beyond occasional incidences, it was destined to die.
This is something people should remeber. Excessive use of a courtesy or privilege can kill it. Or when every on tries to avail of a courtesy, it turns into a chaos.
I just looked at the SkyTeam website and noticed that, while they talk about through check in and issueing partner boarding passes, the only mention of checking bags is the statement about elites getting free bags. Curious. I wonder whether this represents a recent change as I would have expected interlining of bags to be mentioned with the alliance check in advantages.
The main issue with issuing the entire reservation on one ticket is usually price. Two tickets is often MUCH cheaper than one ticket on multiple carriers. They won't even allow downline luggage check for two tickets within the same PNR (i.e. where they see the downline connections).
How true.
How true.
If the airline checks your bags for segments on another airline, it's accepting liability without any protetction.
There are places where DL and SkyTeam do not go, such as the Greek islands. Or places where it isn't sensible or convenient to take DL/SkyTeam, such as for travel to NZ from the USA, which seems to require taking KE through ICN, which is quite far out-of-the way. Other examples would include Katmandu from Asia, or South Ameica to Africa or Australia, where trying to use DL/SkyTeam would greatly exceed MPM and/or there is not published fare.
Wrong.
The DOT rules apply to all US carriers operating anywhere in the world and to any itinerary originating or terminating in the USA, no matter where the carrier is based. Perfectly legal.
As to the problem DL & US have found and UA & AA will get around to, the DOT rule speaks about an "itinerary" not a "ticket". If DL accepts a bag on a multi-ticket "itinerary" the DOT rule provides for no more than the initial segment's bag fee for the remainder of the itinerary. But, if there are multiple tickets, there's no way for downstream carriers to know what the segment was without ranting customers insisting that the downstream carrier call DL to confirm.
This is yet another example of "be careful what you wish for." Just like the tarmac delay rules, customers wound up getting short-changed, not helped.
Since this won't be confined to DL, this will become a PITA for all US-based/destined pax within a short period of time.
The DOT rules apply to all US carriers operating anywhere in the world and to any itinerary originating or terminating in the USA, no matter where the carrier is based. Perfectly legal.
As to the problem DL & US have found and UA & AA will get around to, the DOT rule speaks about an "itinerary" not a "ticket". If DL accepts a bag on a multi-ticket "itinerary" the DOT rule provides for no more than the initial segment's bag fee for the remainder of the itinerary. But, if there are multiple tickets, there's no way for downstream carriers to know what the segment was without ranting customers insisting that the downstream carrier call DL to confirm.
This is yet another example of "be careful what you wish for." Just like the tarmac delay rules, customers wound up getting short-changed, not helped.
Since this won't be confined to DL, this will become a PITA for all US-based/destined pax within a short period of time.
This is an unintended consequences of all the complaints people filed with DoT regarding baggage fee surprises, when the tried to check their bags with the subsequent airline on the second ticket.
This will affect almost every single trip I make. Yes, let's let DL and others make it as difficult to transit as possible. Will we be required to load our own luggage on the plane, too?
Last month, I flew in on a late night flight from TPE. If I would have to check in luggage with the new airline, it's highly likely I would miss my connecting flight. So I'd be out a hotel, as well as lots of wasted time.
Last month, I flew in on a late night flight from TPE. If I would have to check in luggage with the new airline, it's highly likely I would miss my connecting flight. So I'd be out a hotel, as well as lots of wasted time.
Too much whining leads to unexpected consequences.
I purchase many tickets that combine carriers which are not part of the same alliance etc- there are filed fares that can be booked- or call DL or get your travel agent to book it- the restriction may be on the delta.com website however there is not a restriction booking IATA filed fares.
Interlining is the ability of two ofr airlines to issue a single ticket.
Exactly.
It is very rare that a one ticket itinerary cannot be booked and also there is no problem to combine multiple carriers. The only issue is with LCC- although in the USA I don't think this is nearly the issue it can be in Europe where we have Ryanair, Easyjet, Windjet, Wizzair, etc etc etc.
It is very rare that a one ticket itinerary cannot be booked and also there is no problem to combine multiple carriers. The only issue is with LCC- although in the USA I don't think this is nearly the issue it can be in Europe where we have Ryanair, Easyjet, Windjet, Wizzair, etc etc etc.
Yes. They might refer you to the international desk, but it can be done.
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For interlined tickets, DL will continue to check your bags through. MITA governs multilateral interline traffic arrangements. It defines liabilities and responsibilities. Separate tickets do not have MITA protection.
Airlines checked your bags through to the final destinantion even if you were flying the final leg with a different airline using a different ticket, which was not conjuncted, as a courtesy. As its use grew beyond occasional incidences, it was destined to die.
This is something people should remeber. Excessive use of a courtesy or privilege can kill it. Or when every on tries to avail of a courtesy, it turns into a chaos.
Airlines checked your bags through to the final destinantion even if you were flying the final leg with a different airline using a different ticket, which was not conjuncted, as a courtesy. As its use grew beyond occasional incidences, it was destined to die.
This is something people should remeber. Excessive use of a courtesy or privilege can kill it. Or when every on tries to avail of a courtesy, it turns into a chaos.