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GRALISTAIR Oct 24, 2012 5:46 pm


Originally Posted by peperoberto (Post 19555547)
Yes, certainly. $12 for a Maker's is ridiculous when SkyClubs are serving up Woodford for free.

^ a big +1 - what I miss about being based in IND

pbarnette Oct 24, 2012 6:06 pm


Originally Posted by AA_EXP09 (Post 19559714)
Domestic F is terrible but better than flying Y.
I would have just drank onboard rather than in the lounge.
Besides, on AA my miles actually have value.

My miles have value, too. Not nearly as much value as my time and comfort, though.

Nothing particular against AA - they are okay if their limited network aligns with yours - but this notion that more valuable miles justify taking second-best is something I can't relate to. DL simply offers, to my mind, a better travel experience, and that would hold true even if AA were not a bit of a basket-case right now.

cawa Oct 24, 2012 7:05 pm


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 19556914)
Think about it for a minute though - do you really think AA would sell day passes to the lounge for a mere $50 if there was an unlimited open bar for that price?

Delta does exactly this, so I don't think it's unreasonable at all to expect unlimited halfway decent alcohol to be available after paying $50 for a day pass.

Having spent a lot of time in both Delta and American lounges, the AA lounge experience is inferior in almost every way.

cawa Oct 24, 2012 7:09 pm


Originally Posted by SOBE ER DOC (Post 19555935)
That said, AA does have "Flagship Lounges" at ORD, JFK, MIA and LAX. These are premium lounges for international biz and first passengers. Very nice, small, quiet. Top shelf everything.

Correction: The Flagship lounges (while very nice) are only available if you are flying international first class. International business doesn't cut it.

Alex_I Oct 24, 2012 7:23 pm


Originally Posted by cawa (Post 19560139)
Correction: The Flagship lounges (while very nice) are only available if you are flying international first class. International business doesn't cut it.

Correction: AA EXP has access to Flagship when flying internationally regardless the class of service. Even Y is O.K.
You can also access Admirals Club and/or Flagship when flying certain transcons in J or F:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/trans-con-access.jsp

GYEWorldTraveler Oct 24, 2012 7:46 pm

I think AA does a good job for what they have got. A bunch of old planes, older employees and higher costs make it tough for them to be competitive. Look at their 763s and their international product.....it really isn't up to par with DL. I'm just curious to see if the A321s ever come with the configuration they are claiming and if the 777-300s all have the promised product. If AA emerges from BK solo, I expect all of those announcements will come to be. However, if US and AA merge I am imagining all those plans to go out the door and the new airline to look more like US who is a legacy carrier but acts like a low cost carrier.

Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.

AA_EXP09 Oct 24, 2012 9:46 pm


Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler (Post 19560317)
I think AA does a good job for what they have got. A bunch of old planes, older employees and higher costs make it tough for them to be competitive. Look at their 763s and their international product.....it really isn't up to par with DL. I'm just curious to see if the A321s ever come with the configuration they are claiming and if the 777-300s all have the promised product. If AA emerges from BK solo, I expect all of those announcements will come to be. However, if US and AA merge I am imagining all those plans to go out the door and the new airline to look more like US who is a legacy carrier but acts like a low cost carrier.

Assuming AA emerges solo from bankruptcy I think they will probably end up having the best product in a few years of any domestic carrier since all their planes will be new and their premium routes will actually have premium seats. AA would (hopefully will) be a very strong player once they get their costs in line and all of the older planes retired and regional flying from Eagle chopped/spun off. As it stands now though, the product really lacks and its in many ways sad to see what has become of AA in New York. B6 has just chewed away at their share and now DL has gone in for the kill in NYC. I feel like the same thing is happening in Texas and Florida too as competitors sense weakness and go in and expand. NK, B6, WN, UA all have grown in Florida and Texas markets as AA just tries to stay afloat and protect their fortress hubs. It will be interesting to see what happens with AA in the next few years. I personally am rooting for them and think they will emerge from bankruptcy as a very strong competitor.

I'd rather have a widebody on the tcons but if the narrowbody improves the product then I'm OK with it.

javabytes Oct 24, 2012 10:18 pm


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 19556914)
Think about it for a minute though - do you really think AA would sell day passes to the lounge for a mere $50 if there was an unlimited open bar for that price?

Last time I went to Costco, a handle of Makers ran me $36. Since I have no other hard figures, I'll assume it would cost the airline the same amount despite massive volume. Even someone who hits the alcohol moderately hard and packs away, say, 6 drinks during a 2-3 hour layover would consume about $5 worth. Sure, you could compare it to an airport bar and say that tab would have run $75, but the fact that the day pass visitor "only" pays $50 isn't why they don't serve better liquor. It's because of the members who they serve the stuff to all year long for a rate much lower than what the day pass visitors are paying.

cawa Oct 25, 2012 1:56 pm


Originally Posted by Alex_I (Post 19560200)
Correction: AA EXP has access to Flagship when flying internationally regardless the class of service. Even Y is O.K.
You can also access Admirals Club and/or Flagship when flying certain transcons in J or F:
http://www.aa.com/i18n/utility/trans-con-access.jsp

You got me on the EXP access, but business class doesn't get you access to the Flagship Lounge; only first.

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 2:38 am


Originally Posted by stevekstevek (Post 19554374)
Which lounge did you access?

MIA D30, the larger one, then MIA D17 - still decent size and I do have to give them credit, neither of the lounges seemed as crowded as most sky clubs.

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 2:40 am


Originally Posted by Crazyhotelguy (Post 19554498)
But was the Admirals club as jam packed as the SC's?

Not so much...there were plenty of free seats and it was fairly quiet (kids, phone talkers, etc).

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 2:43 am


Originally Posted by javabytes (Post 19555707)
Only one or two SCs (CVG and I've heard rumors of IND but never been there) are serving Woodford for free. The rest are Jim Beam, if it's even available, otherwise Jack.

Jim Beam is fine for my redneck palate, but I hate when the servers thing Jack is bourbon.

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 2:48 am


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 19555859)
I fly AA here and there, almost always paid J. I found the rules a bit more nuanced in terms of booze and internet. As Paid J I always received internet and drink certificates. I liked some AA clubs better than some of the DL clubs, in particular some of the converted PMNW clubs. Though I have a disdain for the AA's MIA clubs. Crowded, noisy, no really noisy, plus clearing customs in MIA is a real PITA.

And like DL, a lot of Caribean destinations are considered domestic F. No club, not all that much to differentiate from any other carrier. In true J to central and south america AA has a nicer soft product in my opinion. Hard product will depend on if you're talking narrow body or wide body. In particular if it's a DL route still running the 2x2x2 767s (ugh).

I have to put in a plug for Global Entry, here. It saved me a good hour and a half clearing immigration and customs in MIA. Granted, I didn't have any checked luggage, but it was a huge stress reducer. Getting through immigration with no line is worth the price in itself, but bypassing the 200 person customs line was icing on the cake. For $20 a year, I don't know why everyone doesn't have this...but I shouldn't be sharing the word, because if too many people get it, I'll have lines :)

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 2:53 am


Originally Posted by FWAAA (Post 19556914)
Science can be expensive!

Too bad you didn't bother to ask anyone on the AA forum about the Admirals Club free alcohol policies (or look them up yourself on the interwebs) before you paid a $50 cover charge for the privilege of ordering a $12 boubon. Ouch. Had you asked before you "exprimented," someone would have warned you that the only free alcohol is the cheap stuff and that name brand drinks would cost you plenty.

Think about it for a minute though - do you really think AA would sell day passes to the lounge for a mere $50 if there was an unlimited open bar for that price?

I dunno, I think Delta sells day passes for $25 and their drinks are pretty good :)

Granted, I should have done more research on the Admiral's club, but it was a short-fused trip, so I decided to just dive in and experiment.

2lazy2walk Oct 26, 2012 3:04 am


Originally Posted by pbarnette (Post 19558586)
The OP was expecting (or hoping) that, for $50, they might offer a product comparable to what you can buy from DL for $50. I think that was the point, don't you?

That was kind of the point, but I was prepared to be pleasantly surprised or disappointed. Just reporting that it was on the disappointing side, paying the entry fee and then being charged and additional $12 for a drink I could get in a SC free (Woodford is okay, the stuff AA had for free that I'd never heard of was too scary to risk). $50 was an investment in a research mission, more or less, to compare a product I hadn't experienced. The restrooms were clean, which is why I hit the Sky Club half the time :)


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