JFK T2-T4 airside connecter finnished by 2013?
Nov 9, 2012, 10:09 am
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Your domestic DL leg will arrive in T2 or T3 and there is a shuttle within the terminal area to get to T4. You don't have to leave security. Gate 19 (T2) and Gate 11 (T3) are for the shuttle. Note you'll probably have to wait a bit for it, and it takes 10-15 min to get to T4 once they start boarding the shuttle.
The flight we're looking at has a connection time of 75 minutes between DL and VS. VS have said that this is exactly on their MCT for domestic-international at JFK.
Assuming the DL check-in agent at TPA would be able to print our VS boarding passes, this doesn't seem like too much of a risky connection?
Nov 9, 2012, 10:29 am
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Hello, sorry to bump up an old thread, but I have a question specifically relating to this post-security shuttle.
I'm thinking of booking TPA-JFK-LHR with Virgin Atlantic. They'd be using Delta for the domestic segment all on one PNR.
I'm not sure which JFK terminal the Delta flight would arrive at?
However, if I arrive from TPA at T2/3, would I be able to use this shuttle to get to T4 for my VS flight without having to re-clear security? VS use the 'A' gates in T4.
Any help is much appreciated
I'm thinking of booking TPA-JFK-LHR with Virgin Atlantic. They'd be using Delta for the domestic segment all on one PNR.
I'm not sure which JFK terminal the Delta flight would arrive at?
However, if I arrive from TPA at T2/3, would I be able to use this shuttle to get to T4 for my VS flight without having to re-clear security? VS use the 'A' gates in T4.
Any help is much appreciated
Nov 9, 2012, 11:08 am
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Thanks for the response. Can we definitely get access to the 'A gates' in T4 from the Delta T2/T3 shuttle?
The flight we're looking at has a connection time of 75 minutes between DL and VS. VS have said that this is exactly on their MCT for domestic-international at JFK.
Assuming the DL check-in agent at TPA would be able to print our VS boarding passes, this doesn't seem like too much of a risky connection?
The flight we're looking at has a connection time of 75 minutes between DL and VS. VS have said that this is exactly on their MCT for domestic-international at JFK.
Assuming the DL check-in agent at TPA would be able to print our VS boarding passes, this doesn't seem like too much of a risky connection?
Nov 9, 2012, 11:13 am
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It's possible. Whether Delta has an interlining agreement with VS is another matter (I would think they would though).
Nov 9, 2012, 12:06 pm
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Correct to assume that, no matter how unpleasant the bus is, it's faster than exiting T2, walking to T4 and going back through security? This would be at 7:30 pm-ish.
Nov 9, 2012, 1:04 pm
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And other than having to wait for the bus, it's actually not bad. I've generally had good drivers/chaperones, and you're able to relax, rather than rush through the airport (especially in the wintertime!).
Nov 10, 2012, 4:49 am
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Thanks folks. VS has interline agreements with more airlines than you may imagine. These include BA, AA, DL, Jetblue etc.
I spoke to DL, and they said they they couldn't 100% guarantee that checked bags would be interlined to VS when we check in at TPA, even if we're on the same PNR. That's disappointing, as last time we flew the route Jetblue were able to check us to LHR and print our VS boarding passes when we checked in at Sarasota.
If we have to collect and re-check bags, we'll have no chance of making an 75 minute connection, so given that risk we'll probably book an earlier flight with DL/AA/JetBlue.
I spoke to DL, and they said they they couldn't 100% guarantee that checked bags would be interlined to VS when we check in at TPA, even if we're on the same PNR. That's disappointing, as last time we flew the route Jetblue were able to check us to LHR and print our VS boarding passes when we checked in at Sarasota.
If we have to collect and re-check bags, we'll have no chance of making an 75 minute connection, so given that risk we'll probably book an earlier flight with DL/AA/JetBlue.
Nov 10, 2012, 7:20 am
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No, you can access only the B gates, which are a separate sterile area from A. Not clear if DL would allow you on the bus, but even if they do you'll have to leave the secure area in B and reclear security at the A gates. Probably would be easier just to take the Airtrain to T4.
Nov 10, 2012, 2:21 pm
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Please remind me:
- how many gates does DL use at T3 now?
- how many total gates will they have in T4 when the first phase of T4 opens, ie, nine new plus XX existing
- where will flights using existing T4B gates be relocated?
- when will T3 demolition begin
- in the Leo Mullen era T4 expansion design, T4B had a triangular tip for mainline flights as opposed to the commuter airline tip. Why the change?
- any news on additional funding to complete second phase of T4 expansion? Demolition and expansion of T1?
- how many gates does DL use at T3 now?
- how many total gates will they have in T4 when the first phase of T4 opens, ie, nine new plus XX existing
- where will flights using existing T4B gates be relocated?
- when will T3 demolition begin
- in the Leo Mullen era T4 expansion design, T4B had a triangular tip for mainline flights as opposed to the commuter airline tip. Why the change?
- any news on additional funding to complete second phase of T4 expansion? Demolition and expansion of T1?
Nov 10, 2012, 9:02 pm
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So Delta is just EXTENDING a MEDIOCRE Terminal
So far as I can see during my excruciating travels thru JFK, Delta is just increasing the length of an already mediocre terminal. Terminal 4 is nothing compared to both architecturally interesting and service filled airport terminals in cities 1/3 the size of NYC in Europe. JFK is a disgrace and I am embarassed when I land from Europe that JFK may be the first impression a new visitor to our country has.
Nov 11, 2012, 4:50 pm
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While it's not an official announcement from Delta (or the PANYNJ), this article from yesterday written by a reporter given a tour of the T4 construction specifically says that the accesss between T2 and T4 will be via shuttle buses.
http://www.jaunted.com/story/2012/10...9;s+Terminal+4
http://www.jaunted.com/story/2012/10...9;s+Terminal+4
The T4 plans with the added gates was already shown. Remember, Delta's fleet will consist of bigger planes going out in the future and even the smallest planes will be larger.
Here is what the expanded T4 will look like when all phases are completed in the future including the RJ gates:
http://filecache.drivetheweb.com/mr4...ior-future.jpg
Here is what the expanded T4 will look like when all phases are completed in the future including the RJ gates:
http://filecache.drivetheweb.com/mr4...ior-future.jpg
Nov 15, 2012, 10:42 pm
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JFK T2-T4 airside connecter is not happening. DL is securing fancy new busses to hold over until the lease ends on T2 and/or further expansion is made to T4. Not worth it to spend big $$ on a connector.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Nov 15, 2012, 10:54 pm
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JFK T2-T4 airside connecter is not happening. DL is securing fancy new busses to hold over until the lease ends on T2 and/or further expansion is made to T4. Not worth it to spend big $$ on a connector.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Nov 16, 2012, 6:49 am
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JFK T2-T4 airside connecter is not happening. DL is securing fancy new busses to hold over until the lease ends on T2 and/or further expansion is made to T4. Not worth it to spend big $$ on a connector.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Insiders tell me the T2-T4 bus will be extremely frequent and will likely, soon after the closure of T3, use a travel path that will avoid many of the aircraft conflicts that the current bus route contend with today.
There also will be a purpose built lower level bus facility at T4 to support the inter-terminal busing.
Also, do you know when the lease expires on T2, and what possible scenarios of which they might be thinking?
Nov 16, 2012, 8:43 am
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This is particularly important for those of us who drive. To the extent possible a flight to/from the same city should go in/out same terminal. Make it easier for us.