Consensus on the Delta 777 business class?

Old Aug 5, 12, 5:49 am
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Consensus on the Delta 777 business class?

OK, just to get it out of the way, Iím very happy to fly in business, and much prefer it over coach. But am I the only one who doesnít like the arrangement?

First of all, you canít see out the window very easily (see my previous post for more ranting on this subject.)

But it also makes it difficult to get work done. Thereís no under seat storage for the briefcase. Thereís minimal space for any work Ė papers, pads, computer, etc. The table (on which I now type) is nicely positioned. But if you want to type type type, and then pull out some paper to look it, itís a lot more difficult than the traditional design, where you just reach under your seat and pull out what you need.

This feels like a seat thatís designed to have the passenger watch the video and sleep. And thatís it. That may be great for many, but I really would like to be able to get some work done and look out the window.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 6:08 am
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Good Points

Thanks. Some really good points here.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 6:09 am
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Originally Posted by jojojo View Post
OK, just to get it out of the way, Iím very happy to fly in business, and much prefer it over coach. But am I the only one who doesnít like the arrangement?

First of all, you canít see out the window very easily (see my previous post for more ranting on this subject.)

But it also makes it difficult to get work done. Thereís no under seat storage for the briefcase. Thereís minimal space for any work Ė papers, pads, computer, etc. The table (on which I now type) is nicely positioned. But if you want to type type type, and then pull out some paper to look it, itís a lot more difficult than the traditional design, where you just reach under your seat and pull out what you need.

This feels like a seat thatís designed to have the passenger watch the video and sleep. And thatís it. That may be great for many, but I really would like to be able to get some work done and look out the window.

Other than the seats being a little tighter as far as shoulder width goes, and the inability to get the armrest out of the way, I reckon you will not find too many on here that will agree with you that J on the 777 is not that good. How about putting your papers on the footrest part of the seat? FWIW, if you have the chance, try booking your flights on one of the new refurbished 747's, the seats face outwards, they are a little wider, more personal space, the tray tables are bigger, and the arm rest can be put down into the side of the seat so it is out of the way when your sleeping.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by jojojo View Post
OK, just to get it out of the way, Iím very happy to fly in business, and much prefer it over coach. But am I the only one who doesnít like the arrangement?

First of all, you canít see out the window very easily (see my previous post for more ranting on this subject.)

But it also makes it difficult to get work done. Thereís no under seat storage for the briefcase. Thereís minimal space for any work Ė papers, pads, computer, etc. The table (on which I now type) is nicely positioned. But if you want to type type type, and then pull out some paper to look it, itís a lot more difficult than the traditional design, where you just reach under your seat and pull out what you need.

This feels like a seat thatís designed to have the passenger watch the video and sleep. And thatís it. That may be great for many, but I really would like to be able to get some work done and look out the window.
I'm pretty much with you. The 777 seats are great for sleeping, but average for everything else.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 7:14 am
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I'm pretty much with you. The 777 seats are great for sleeping, but average for everything else.
Nicely put.

They're below average for working and doing much else. Would sooner work in an EC seat, assuming the person next to me wasn't elephantine.
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Originally Posted by jojojo View Post
This feels like a seat thatís designed to have the passenger watch the video and sleep. And thatís it. That may be great for many, but I really would like to be able to get some work done and look out the window.
Rather give up the view than settle for the old style seats I have to put up with from DUB-JFK/ATL in the 767-300
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Old Aug 5, 12, 10:18 am
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See the 777 section - http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-aircraft.html - this topic has been discussed MANY times...
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I like them, but I think I will like the refurbished 74S seats even better when I have the chance to try them.
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Having made your point, would you rather fly in the old Business Class Seat on the airbus instead of the 777?
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Old Aug 5, 12, 1:26 pm
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I agree with the OP. There is a lot of wasted space that becomes the space for the seat in front of you to recline. The new 747 seats work things out in a much more friendly manner, large amount of flat space for storage, computers, etc.

Any of the flat seats on any of the planes beats the old BE cradle seat overwhelmingly, but I found the 747 sleeper seat to have much more room, storage slots, table space etc.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 2:05 pm
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I agree about the window. Also, you're looking into other people's space. I much prefer the 764s.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by NotHamSarnie View Post
I agree about the window. Also, you're looking into other people's space. I much prefer the 764s.
+1 There is really no comparison in how much better the new 747 is vs the 777. I would also choose the 764 (or new 763) anyday over the 777.

The old recliner comments are n/a IMHO as you are comparing a 20 yr old product to a retrofit. The point is the 777 retrofit is now what I would consider a very POOR flat-bed product.


I much prefer a 2-3-2 flat-bed on KE (grabbing the internal aisle), AZ's 777 1-2-1 or the new MU 2-2-2 on the 33E. The DL 777 is just not a good flat-bed product when you factor in you have to:

-stare at the guy across the aisle for the entire flight
-have no real storage
-can't look out a window without straining
-get to have your head fall over the edge if you are over 6'-2".

Its a great domestic upgrade, but if using miles or money unless its much more convenient or there are no other bed competitors I would choose another option.
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Originally Posted by OLYflyer View Post
+1 There is really no comparison in how much better the new 747 is vs the 777. I would also choose the 764 (or new 763) anyday over the 777.

The old recliner comments are n/a IMHO as you are comparing a 20 yr old product to a retrofit. The point is the 777 retrofit is now what I would consider a very POOR flat-bed product.


I much prefer a 2-3-2 flat-bed on KE (grabbing the internal aisle), AZ's 777 1-2-1 or the new MU 2-2-2 on the 33E. The DL 777 is just not a good flat-bed product when you factor in you have to:

-stare at the guy across the aisle for the entire flight
-have no real storage
-can't look out a window without straining
-get to have your head fall over the edge if you are over 6'-2".

Its a great domestic upgrade, but if using miles or money unless its much more convenient or there are no other bed competitors I would choose another option.
So would you vote in this order?

747 (refurbed of course)
764
763
777?
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Old Aug 5, 12, 6:36 pm
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Originally Posted by jojojo View Post
OK, just to get it out of the way, Iím very happy to fly in business, and much prefer it over coach. But am I the only one who doesnít like the arrangement?

First of all, you canít see out the window very easily (see my previous post for more ranting on this subject.)

But it also makes it difficult to get work done. Thereís no under seat storage for the briefcase. Thereís minimal space for any work Ė papers, pads, computer, etc. The table (on which I now type) is nicely positioned. But if you want to type type type, and then pull out some paper to look it, itís a lot more difficult than the traditional design, where you just reach under your seat and pull out what you need.

This feels like a seat thatís designed to have the passenger watch the video and sleep. And thatís it. That may be great for many, but I really would like to be able to get some work done and look out the window.
who in their right mind wants to work anyway on a long haul flight. drop the PC and pick up a drink, a pair of Bose Noise Cancelling Headphones and enjoy the ride.
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Old Aug 5, 12, 6:58 pm
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I also am not that crazy about the 777 BE seat. But will always take it over EC.

I have only flown CO, DL & UA in C. If I had to rank those three...

1. CO ( I realize it is UA now, but the CO 777 config is my favorite)
2. DL
3. UA ( IMHO, by far the worst of the three.)
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