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hubbub Jul 11, 2012 11:32 am

One Segment in First - Using Lounge?
 
Hi,

I'll be traveling from BOS - JFK - NRT - SIN soon. BOS-JFK is in First, JFK - NRT Economy, and NRT - SIN in Business. This will be a mileage redemption.

Question is - will I be allowed to use the lounge at either JFK or NRT? I have some work to do and being in the lounge would be great.

I have no status on Delta.

Thanks.

HB

MSPeconomist Jul 11, 2012 12:21 pm


Originally Posted by hubbub (Post 18910741)
Hi,

I'll be traveling from BOS - JFK - NRT - SIN soon. BOS-JFK is in First, JFK - NRT Economy, and NRT - SIN in Business. This will be a mileage redemption.

Question is - will I be allowed to use the lounge at either JFK or NRT? I have some work to do and being in the lounge would be great.

I have no status on Delta.

Thanks.

HB

Domestic FC does not give lounge access, but international BE does. You can use the NRT SC by showing your NRT-SIN boarding pass. For lounges at BOS and JFK, YMMV since technically your BE flight is the next day.

KissFlyGoodbye Jul 11, 2012 12:26 pm

The SC in NRT you should be allowed to use the property as you are flying BE to SIN. I believe in JFK you would not be allowed to use the SC since your flying to NRT in Y.

hubbub Jul 11, 2012 12:42 pm

Thanks both. Even if flights are all on the same itinerary?

arcticbull Jul 11, 2012 12:53 pm

You mentioned this is a mileage redemption? Why on earth would you pay such a high premium to sit in domestic F for the 1h hop to JFK and then again in regional business NRT-SIN? You're only spending 33% of your time in a premium cabin :| I'm sure they charged you 120K for the privilege too, but only if there was low space, if not what 220K? Did you consider JFK-NRT as your redemption for far less points and just paying cash for the connectors?

I would encourage you to reconsider... maybe check partner awards, especially KE Business? BOS-JFK on DL, JFK-ICN on KE82, ICN-SIN on KEnnn? I'm not sure what your travel dates are so I don't know what to suggest precisely.

hubbub Jul 11, 2012 1:48 pm

searched for economy, this came up. 125k all in. is that still a ripoff?

edit: 125k return. return is SIN - MSP - BOS all economy.

arcticbull Jul 11, 2012 3:53 pm


Originally Posted by hubbub (Post 18911761)
searched for economy, this came up. 125k all in. is that still a ripoff?

edit: 125k return. return is SIN - MSP - BOS all economy.

Rip-off is the wrong word, a mixed low-mid Y-J award. You're entitled to, for 120K, travel entirely in business class from your origin to your destination and back, so long as you find availability in Low or on a partner airline. From the chart it looks like you have:

One way all economy in Mid (65K) +
One way Business in Low (60K)

If you were to find an all-business routing (or at least mostly business) in Low, you could actually save 5K miles and have a very pleasant flight. Ripoff is the wrong word, what you're being hit with is Delta's totally broken award site (i.e. not showing partners on travel to Asia) combined with their total lack of desire to release Low level award space on their own metal.

If you provide me dates I can take a look for you, and maybe provide some guidance on how to book (it's not easy because the agents are less than awesome most of the time).

Feel free to PM me with your dates of travel! I just want to see you get the most for your miles :p

FWIW: All Business is 120K round trip in Low or on partners. All economy is 80K round trip in Low or on partners. For a 50% increase in miles (which you've already paid mind you) then I would do my damnedest to sit at the front (well, middle :p) of the bus!

DaddyRabbit Jul 11, 2012 3:57 pm

Correct
 

Originally Posted by KissFlyGoodbye (Post 18911114)
The SC in NRT you should be allowed to use the property as you are flying BE to SIN. I believe in JFK you would not be allowed to use the SC since your flying to NRT in Y.

This one is cocrrect.

Safe travels.

hubbub Jul 11, 2012 6:25 pm


Originally Posted by arcticbull (Post 18912537)
Rip-off is the wrong word, a mixed low-mid Y-J award. You're entitled to, for 120K, travel entirely in business class from your origin to your destination and back, so long as you find availability in Low or on a partner airline. From the chart it looks like you have:

One way all economy in Mid (65K) +
One way Business in Low (60K)

If you were to find an all-business routing (or at least mostly business) in Low, you could actually save 5K miles and have a very pleasant flight. Ripoff is the wrong word, what you're being hit with is Delta's totally broken award site (i.e. not showing partners on travel to Asia) combined with their total lack of desire to release Low level award space on their own metal.

If you provide me dates I can take a look for you, and maybe provide some guidance on how to book (it's not easy because the agents are less than awesome most of the time).

Feel free to PM me with your dates of travel! I just want to see you get the most for your miles :p

FWIW: All Business is 120K round trip in Low or on partners. All economy is 80K round trip in Low or on partners. For a 50% increase in miles (which you've already paid mind you) then I would do my damnedest to sit at the front (well, middle :p) of the bus!

PM sent! Thanks for offering to help!

MSPeconomist Jul 11, 2012 8:53 pm


Originally Posted by DaddyRabbit (Post 18912570)
This one is cocrrect.

Safe travels.

It's correct but for the wrong reasons. There's language about same day connections, so that if the JFK-NRT segment were in BE, the OP could not only use the JFK SCs but also BOS regardless of whether BOS-JFK is coach or FC. Other alliances define the rules differently and are more strict about only having lounge use before qualifying segments rather than before various same day connecting flights on SkyTeam.

hubbub Jul 14, 2012 1:48 pm

Reporting back: I got into the lounges at BOS, JFK and NRT no questions asked.

The flight on economy from JFK - NRT was hell in the air. Everything else was great though.

MSPeconomist Jul 14, 2012 4:52 pm


Originally Posted by hubbub (Post 18929836)
Reporting back: I got into the lounges at BOS, JFK and NRT no questions asked.

The flight on economy from JFK - NRT was hell in the air. Everything else was great though.

You have my sympathies. It sounds like a packed 747 that hasn't been reconfigured yet and hence is AVOD-less in coach.

RMAnalystATL Jul 14, 2012 4:57 pm


Originally Posted by hubbub (Post 18929836)
Reporting back: I got into the lounges at BOS, JFK and NRT no questions asked.

The flight on economy from JFK - NRT was hell in the air. Everything else was great though.

This is exactly what should have happened. You have 1 qualifying BE international flight on the itinerary and you are eligible for lounge access at ALL locations. Also FWIW, if you buy a day pass for the skyclub, change of date is included on the day pass meaning if you buy it for ATL-JFK-NRT-SIN, you would receive access at all stops even though the arrival in NRT is plus one day...it still fits into the one "day pass". We even state it on delta.com on the terms and conditions :)

arcticbull Jul 14, 2012 5:26 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 18930553)
You have my sympathies. It sounds like a packed 747 that hasn't been reconfigured yet and hence is AVOD-less in coach.

Good Lord. Just like every flight I've ever had on United :D


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