Latest 717 rumor: DL deal in place

Old May 22, 2012, 5:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Herb687
All you get is wind noise, TONS OF IT.
You hear the slipstream on the 737s, 757s, 777s, A320s etc. Ever wonder why you don't hear the engines after they accelerate at ~10,000 feet?
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Old May 22, 2012, 5:27 pm
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Originally Posted by tusphotog
You hear the slipstream on the 737s, 757s, 777s, A320s etc. Ever wonder why you don't hear the engines after they accelerate at ~10,000 feet?
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Old May 22, 2012, 5:36 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
No, actually, they will refurbished the cabin interior and they will change a brand new seat. The old seat will have to removed.
So, I guess that means either the Weber 5751 or B/E Aerospace Pinnacle if I understand correctly. Or maybe a new seat, such as the AvioInteriors UltraLight.
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Old May 22, 2012, 6:32 pm
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Also, there is 21 717s is still in storage and they hasn't flying lately. If DL could taken 21 more 717s out of storage. DL will have 109 717s aircraft will eventually to join into the fleets. They could acquiring more 717s from former airlines.

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b717-3.htm
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Old May 22, 2012, 7:01 pm
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Originally Posted by dcline414
If their primary initiative is to get rid of 50 seat planes, but they are replacing them with CR9s or 717s, they would have to reduce frequency to avoid increasing capacity.
Originally Posted by adamj023
Obviously Delta will acquire more 76 seat jets so those could be either CRJ900 or Embraer 175 depending which they get a better deal on? These are the only 2 competitors I know for this space.
Is it possible that Delta might acquire additional Embraer E170s or Bombardier CR7s, which are closer in size to the departing E145s/CR2s? I have no idea whether or not these jets offer any fuel consumption advantage over their larger stablemates.
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Old May 22, 2012, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by N830MH
Also, there is 21 717s is still in storage and they hasn't flying lately. If DL could taken 21 more 717s out of storage. DL will have 109 717s aircraft will eventually to join into the fleets. They could acquiring more 717s from former airlines.

http://www.airfleets.net/listing/b717-3.htm
It all depends how many they actually need. Delta hasn't acquired anymore MD90's lately either for that matter so maybe not.

Even Delta has stored planes they aren't using at the moment.

RJ means regional jet. Anyways looks like regional jet changes with more larger planes.

So by the time JFK terminal is ready for instance the RJ gates will be demolished at T2 and they will be using it for larger regional flights.
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Old May 22, 2012, 8:08 pm
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Does this mean some of the 717s have operated under:

TW>AA>FL>DL

I know several other carriers have had them like MX Click subsidiary, Hawaiian, Midwest, and Bangkok Airways. Of course Mexicana no longer operates, Hawaiian still has their 717s for interisland hops and seems content, Midwest has gone away and replaced by Republic E-Jets, and Bangkok Airways replaced theirs with A319.

Some of the newest 717s were only manufactured in 2006 and have plenty of useful life left. I find it very interesting to compare fleet strategies of the three major carriers. On one hand you have DL pursuing second hand and out right owning aircraft with low capital costs while AA is pursuing a capital intensive fleet renewal program with new aircraft, UA similarly is pursuing new aircraft but not in the same numbers. Currently, I believe UA has the youngest fleet among major network carriers. It should be interesting to see what happens. It's time fort he DC-9s and MD-80s to go, even if their younger cousin replaces them.
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Old May 22, 2012, 8:13 pm
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Originally Posted by AAerSTL
Currently, I believe UA has the youngest fleet among major network carriers.
True, but entirely by virtue of CO's purchases and UA's retirements. I don't believe legacy-UA has taken delivery of a new mainline aircraft in nearly a decade.

As for lease/own, it was mentioned upthread that the 717s will be leased from Southwest, who has leased them from Boeing.
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Old May 22, 2012, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
True, but entirely by virtue of CO's purchases and UA's retirements. I don't believe legacy-UA has taken delivery of a new mainline aircraft in nearly a decade.

As for lease/own, it was mentioned upthread that the 717s will be leased from Southwest, who has leased them from Boeing.
I don't think UA has received any aircraft since circa 2002. They did announce the 787 and A350 order in summer 2009 before the CO merger. Fortunately, with CO management largely in control we'll see more new planes and hopefully Boeing aircraft too.

True, but most of the other aircraft DL has acquired like second hand MD-90s will be owned. But still, it would appear DL is certainly pursuing a less capital intensive fleet strategy than AA and UA. With the volatile nature of fuel prices, it will interesting to see 5-10 years down the road when plenty of carriers are flying 787s and DL has refurbished fuel guzzling 30 year-old 763, albeit at lower capital costs.
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This really says something about the so-called low-cost leader Southwest Airlines and it's higher operating costs...Delta believes it can take the 717's and operate them and make money, whereas Southwest can't.
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Originally Posted by n7371f
This really says something about the so-called low-cost leader Southwest Airlines and it's higher operating costs...Delta believes it can take the 717's and operate them and make money, whereas Southwest can't.
Delta is getting them for cheaper than Southwest is paying. For Delta to have taken the 717's in a deal it must have been a subsidized sublease.

Delta is trying to improve upon its regional coverage as a legacy carrier and business travellers in this nation are very dependent on those.

The 717's fit Delta's strategy. They do not fit Southwest's strategy. Plus it is a gradual multiyear phaseout for Southwest and phasein for Delta.

Delta will indeed have 100 737-900ER coming in for 2013 as well which are larger than the 737-800 that Southwest will be acquiring.

Though smaller than the 757-200's and the like that they will be replacing.

All good in the end.

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It appears DL is retaining the 12 73Gs currently in the fleet. I recall there was discussion about these aircraft possibly exiting the fleet as consideration for the 717s.
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It is an absolutely amazing engine. AirTran had the 717s the whole time and had very high reviews and marks as well.
No offense but you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
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Old May 22, 2012, 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by AAerSTL
It appears DL is retaining the 12 73Gs currently in the fleet. I recall there was discussion about these aircraft possibly exiting the fleet as consideration for the 717s.
The 73G has much greater range and take-off performance compared to the 717. I believe DL originally bought the 73G for South and Central America routes. DL will keep the 73G around for those reasons.
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Old May 22, 2012, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by dcline414
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My post simply says there is wind noise (i.e. the slipstream) on any aircraft. You hear it regardless of where the engines are. On the 737 or 777s, you hear the engines growling up to ~10,000 feet, then you hear wind noise above that as the plane accelerates past 250 knots.
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