“Do You Know Who I Am?”: The Definitive Thread of DYKWIA Stories
#9031
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I read a great essay last month about negotiating in such situations; I wish I'd saved the link. However, simply going through the mind exercise of imagining such a brilliant essay exists, and trying to imagine the takeaway message, is probably enough: Most people who get all worked up and say they'll sue aren't going to do so. If someone's actual goal is to either be accommodated or to lay the groundwork for a successful lawsuit, they are calmly and methodically collecting all necessary data for the latter, while displaying a better understanding of the rules than anyone empowered to enforce them. Think with your best poker-table skills how you would recognize the person more likely to actually sue, then be that person. Above all, maintain the unflappable calm of someone who is paid very well to handle stressful situations.
The above prop will help.
#9032
Join Date: Jul 2008
Posts: 790
Passenger 'assaults air marshal, throws coffee on fellow fliers and overturns a drink cart' | Daily Mail Online
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
#9033
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Passenger 'assaults air marshal, throws coffee on fellow fliers and overturns a drink cart' | Daily Mail Online
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
Flight attendants asked air marshals who were sitting in the back of the plane to help subdue Beach, according to the criminal complaint.
#9034
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Here's a great Post from a related thread, giving links to Delta's COC, and their "Customers Requiring Extra Space" policy. Easy enough to make a sheet with the relevant screen grabs from both, and carry three copies as one travels. One for the FA, one for the passenger, and one to keep when the others disappear.
I read a great essay last month about negotiating in such situations; I wish I'd saved the link. However, simply going through the mind exercise of imagining such a brilliant essay exists, and trying to imagine the takeaway message, is probably enough: Most people who get all worked up and say they'll sue aren't going to do so. If someone's actual goal is to either be accommodated or to lay the groundwork for a successful lawsuit, they are calmly and methodically collecting all necessary data for the latter, while displaying a better understanding of the rules than anyone empowered to enforce them. Think with your best poker-table skills how you would recognize the person more likely to actually sue, then be that person. Above all, maintain the unflappable calm of someone who is paid very well to handle stressful situations.
The above prop will help.
I read a great essay last month about negotiating in such situations; I wish I'd saved the link. However, simply going through the mind exercise of imagining such a brilliant essay exists, and trying to imagine the takeaway message, is probably enough: Most people who get all worked up and say they'll sue aren't going to do so. If someone's actual goal is to either be accommodated or to lay the groundwork for a successful lawsuit, they are calmly and methodically collecting all necessary data for the latter, while displaying a better understanding of the rules than anyone empowered to enforce them. Think with your best poker-table skills how you would recognize the person more likely to actually sue, then be that person. Above all, maintain the unflappable calm of someone who is paid very well to handle stressful situations.
The above prop will help.
I have threated to sue but ask if that person has $10,000 to $25,000 for a retainer for an attorney to defend the suit. Most people don’t have an extra $20,000 they can part with within 30 days of getting served, and that alone will be the moment of clarity needed to get the other person to think a little more rationally.
Speak very politely and quietly - which can be more intimidating that shouting.
#9035
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: California
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If I’m going to sue someone I never say anything, makes I’d harder to prep by destroying evidence, BleachBitting computers, shredding documents, etc.
I have threated to sue but ask if that person has $10,000 to $25,000 for a retainer for an attorney to defend the suit. Most people don’t have an extra $20,000 they can part with within 30 days of getting served, and that alone will be the moment of clarity needed to get the other person to think a little more rationally.
Speak very politely and quietly - which can be more intimidating that shouting.
#9036
Join Date: Apr 2012
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Passenger 'assaults air marshal, throws coffee on fellow fliers and overturns a drink cart' Daily Mail Online
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
Well at least I have never had anyone throw coffee on me
#9039
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#9040
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#9041
Join Date: Apr 2008
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- a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
"members of her family have received death threats"synonyms:threatening remark, warning, ultimatum
"Maggie ignored his threats"
- a statement of an intention to inflict pain, injury, damage, or other hostile action on someone in retribution for something done or not done.
#9042
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#9044
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Join Date: Sep 2013
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So you would have gotten yourself arrested for disobeying flight crew? Interesting strategy
#9045
Join Date: Jan 2015
Location: Florida
Posts: 686
If I’m going to sue someone I never say anything, makes I’d harder to prep by destroying evidence, BleachBitting computers, shredding documents, etc.
I have threated to sue but ask if that person has $10,000 to $25,000 for a retainer for an attorney to defend the suit. Most people don’t have an extra $20,000 they can part with within 30 days of getting served, and that alone will be the moment of clarity needed to get the other person to think a little more rationally.
Speak very politely and quietly - which can be more intimidating that shouting.