“Do You Know Who I Am?”: The Definitive Thread of DYKWIA Stories
Nov 15, 2014, 4:59 pm
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This is not correct. Both types of smoke detectors can and will detect water vapor if it enters the detector in sufficient quantity. The tools used to test smoke detectors are creating a fog in the same way a fog machine at a nightclub does, and they will definitely set off smoke detectors. If you want to try out your luck, boil a pot of water and hold it under your detector. 
Now, the sufficient quantity part is an issue. Unless the smoker is blowing the ecig directly into the smoke alarm, I don't see it creating enough vapor to trigger the smoke detector. The same is true of smoking a cigarette in the lav. There's just not that much smoke/vapor being created.
Also, I was under the impression the lavatory smoke detectors aren't looped into the cockpit. It's just horn like in most household detectors. Maybe this is different for different airplane make/models.
Now, the sufficient quantity part is an issue. Unless the smoker is blowing the ecig directly into the smoke alarm, I don't see it creating enough vapor to trigger the smoke detector. The same is true of smoking a cigarette in the lav. There's just not that much smoke/vapor being created.
Also, I was under the impression the lavatory smoke detectors aren't looped into the cockpit. It's just horn like in most household detectors. Maybe this is different for different airplane make/models.
Nov 16, 2014, 5:37 am
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Secondly, and to avoid the above, if I hold the vapor in long enough (which is only a few seconds), virtually none of it is exhaled. I could also, if I chose, use an e-cig "juice" that has little or no scent and avoid detection via that route.
Note that I'm not saying I do any of these things (I don't), but if someone wants to vape on a flight they could, quite easily and without detection.
Nov 16, 2014, 10:18 am
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I am a "vaper". There are really two issues at hand here. First, what type of smoke detector is it? I'm highly doubtful that an ionization detector would be set off by e-cig vapor, as nothing is being ionized. On the other hand, if it's a photoelectric (or combo) detector, then sufficient vapor could set it off.
Secondly, and to avoid the above, if I hold the vapor in long enough (which is only a few seconds), virtually none of it is exhaled. I could also, if I chose, use an e-cig "juice" that has little or no scent and avoid detection via that route.
Note that I'm not saying I do any of these things (I don't), but if someone wants to vape on a flight they could, quite easily and without detection.
Secondly, and to avoid the above, if I hold the vapor in long enough (which is only a few seconds), virtually none of it is exhaled. I could also, if I chose, use an e-cig "juice" that has little or no scent and avoid detection via that route.
Note that I'm not saying I do any of these things (I don't), but if someone wants to vape on a flight they could, quite easily and without detection.
I knew a guy that used to smoke pot on planes in the 70's.
Nov 16, 2014, 3:04 pm
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The DM did delay the flight to some extent; the FAA does not permit the aircraft door to be closed and, by extension, the aircraft to push back from the gate while passengers are using cell phones. As I said, the captain and/or gate agent should have told him to shut up and keep his seat or he would be removed. However, it would still take time for the DL employees to call law enforcement, for law enforcement to arrive, and for the passenger to be removed. I don't see any scenario where this passenger's actions don't delay the flight.
All that said, I'm surprised it played out the way it did and that the FAs let him get his way for throwing a tantrum. I wonder who the passenger was who ended up giving up the F seat.
All that said, I'm surprised it played out the way it did and that the FAs let him get his way for throwing a tantrum. I wonder who the passenger was who ended up giving up the F seat.
Nov 16, 2014, 4:57 pm
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Setting aside, for a moment, that this was an IRROPs upgrade, and that the guy was a tool about it and apparently caused a 20 minute delay, should anyone with a sob story get to boot out a customer who, according to the rules that Delta lays down, would otherwise be entitled to the upgrade?
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
O/H
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
O/H
Nov 16, 2014, 6:03 pm
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I completely agree with what both of you are saying. Clearly the upgrade should have gone to a medallion, and in this case a DM. However, with aircraft loaded and ready to push, delaying the aircraft for 20 minutes is a ridiculous DYKWIA move. I'm rather surprised the pilot and/or GA didn't get involved and warn him to stop that behavior or he would be removed from the flight. This, of course, requires follow-through if he doesn't heed the warning.
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Nov 16, 2014, 7:30 pm
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I believe you can be standby in 'F'.
Nov 16, 2014, 8:18 pm
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It was a 1 hour flt. This DM is a joke. Sit back, relax. DL should let him know it is none of his business who gets that seat. He already boarded to his Y seat. 20 min delay - that is on DL.
As far as the vapor cig. I have seen people puffing these things and have never heard a smoke detector go off, and I have no problem with it. Just bring back smoking real cigarettes on planes and the problem would be solved.
Of course it would cost DL money to put ashtrays back on the armrests.
I miss the golden days of travel - caviar, cigar, champagne. The three C's. Bring back that Delta Dusty Lion punch for my grandkids (I think bottled (canned) by Coke just for DL). Also bring back the $20.00 Western Airlines red-eye champagne flts LAX-LAS. Fly in at 11pm - return 6am. Champagne served both ways - free flowing in Y. Talk about a party.
The word "RJ" did not exist. I remember DL flying 767's LAX-LAS. It took longer to load the plane than the flt. Times change.
As far as the vapor cig. I have seen people puffing these things and have never heard a smoke detector go off, and I have no problem with it. Just bring back smoking real cigarettes on planes and the problem would be solved.
Of course it would cost DL money to put ashtrays back on the armrests. I miss the golden days of travel - caviar, cigar, champagne. The three C's. Bring back that Delta Dusty Lion punch for my grandkids (I think bottled (canned) by Coke just for DL). Also bring back the $20.00 Western Airlines red-eye champagne flts LAX-LAS. Fly in at 11pm - return 6am. Champagne served both ways - free flowing in Y. Talk about a party.
The word "RJ" did not exist. I remember DL flying 767's LAX-LAS. It took longer to load the plane than the flt. Times change.
Nov 17, 2014, 12:46 am
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Nov 17, 2014, 1:43 am
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Setting aside, for a moment, that this was an IRROPs upgrade, and that the guy was a tool about it and apparently caused a 20 minute delay, should anyone with a sob story get to boot out a customer who, according to the rules that Delta lays down, would otherwise be entitled to the upgrade?
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
O/H
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
O/H
Nov 17, 2014, 9:12 am
#4348
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I am a "vaper". There are really two issues at hand here. First, what type of smoke detector is it? I'm highly doubtful that an ionization detector would be set off by e-cig vapor, as nothing is being ionized. On the other hand, if it's a photoelectric (or combo) detector, then sufficient vapor could set it off.
Secondly, and to avoid the above, if I hold the vapor in long enough (which is only a few seconds), virtually none of it is exhaled. I could also, if I chose, use an e-cig "juice" that has little or no scent and avoid detection via that route.
Note that I'm not saying I do any of these things (I don't), but if someone wants to vape on a flight they could, quite easily and without detection.
Secondly, and to avoid the above, if I hold the vapor in long enough (which is only a few seconds), virtually none of it is exhaled. I could also, if I chose, use an e-cig "juice" that has little or no scent and avoid detection via that route.
Note that I'm not saying I do any of these things (I don't), but if someone wants to vape on a flight they could, quite easily and without detection.
But you're right, and as I said, neither an ecig nor a cigarette create sufficiently large amounts. The smell will get you noticed before the smoke/vapor will.
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Nov 17, 2014, 10:26 am
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Setting aside, for a moment, that this was an IRROPs upgrade, and that the guy was a tool about it and apparently caused a 20 minute delay, should anyone with a sob story get to boot out a customer who, according to the rules that Delta lays down, would otherwise be entitled to the upgrade?
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
Everyone thinks there's an exception, and everyone thinks it applies to them.
That said, when I don't want to gamble on not being upgraded (which is most of the time) I simply apply the "WFBF" principle. Sorted.
Nov 17, 2014, 12:07 pm
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I will sometimes refer to myself as being an "Anglo Saxon of Ancient Lineage" because it sounds better than "Pure White Trash, All The Way Back".
Robert is the husband of my mother's sister, as it turns out.
Correct. I don't want to be in the middle seat in your row, and you don't want me there.
O/H
Robert is the husband of my mother's sister, as it turns out.
Correct. I don't want to be in the middle seat in your row, and you don't want me there.
O/H
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