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k2 Feb 26, 2012 11:52 am


Originally Posted by RealHJ (Post 18084074)
...There are probably countless people who will, due to this, never put a foot in a Michelle Bernstein restaurant - expecting the same food as on DL (which may not be necessarily a correct assumption, but, that's how the mind works for most: same name on food, same expectation)...

I am one of these people. Never heard of her before, and thanks to DL I have no interest in seeking out her food. I assume a meal at one of her restaurant would be 100x nicer than DL's BE slop, nevertheless I have no interest in the Michelle brand.

ciao114 Feb 26, 2012 11:52 am

Try the transcon BE food by Michael Chiarello!
It is really good^
Very good italian, surprisingly better than AZ meal:)
I love it but DL is American not Italian...
I found it too Italian for US airlines even though I love it:D

RealHJ Feb 26, 2012 12:33 pm


Originally Posted by ciao114 (Post 18085337)
Try the transcon BE food by Michael Chiarello!
It is really good^
Very good italian, surprisingly better than AZ meal:)
I love it but DL is American not Italian...
I found it too Italian for US airlines even though I love it:D

If DL had decent/mediocre American food, say under the Applebee's or Chili's brand (not sure if they have frozen microwave heatable food already under their brand, but if they do, just adapt that for heating in the aircraft), that'd be good enough. More than good enough. A lot better than the "Bernstein" meals we have to stomack now. Would not be on par with some other SkyTeam airlines still, but a lot better than what we have now.

SamuelS Feb 26, 2012 2:01 pm


Originally Posted by RealHJ (Post 18085500)
If DL had decent/mediocre American food, say under the Applebee's or Chili's brand (not sure if they have frozen microwave heatable food already under their brand, but if they do, just adapt that for heating in the aircraft), that'd be good enough. More than good enough. A lot better than the "Bernstein" meals we have to stomack now. Would not be on par with some other SkyTeam airlines still, but a lot better than what we have now.

This is not how airline catering works though - particularly for BE.

Ideally, for J or F cabins, the proteins - so your chicken breast, beef filet etc. are heated separately in one container.

The vegetables, and starch side (mash, wild rice, etc.) are also heated in separate containers, and the sauce/gravy/jus etc. can also be heated in it's own container.

The galley FA then "assembles" the meal with the respective components which, by heating separately, allows for a more precise control and avoids wilting or over-heating of the vegetables etc.

It is quite possible to produce good quality entrees which are tasty and survive the more hardy environment of reheating at altitude. I speak from experience from a career in a previous life ;)

Ultimately, it doesn't matter whether you call it Applebee's, Chilis, or Michelle Bernstein - you're still going to end up with sub par dishes if the basic ingredient quality is poor, the flight kitchens than prepare it are not consistent, and/or if the cabin staff aren't trained (or don't bother) to prepare and serve it correctly onboard.

Now if your question is the actual concept of the Michelle Bernstein dishes versus "American Applebee's" menus, then that's a different discussion.

Thomas Hudson Feb 26, 2012 2:05 pm

I'd be happy with just some good caviar, cheeses, crackers, and a few other heavy apps and spend the $ on real good wines. Nothing better than a 7:30AM cab ride in Paris still goggle eyed and stinking of fish eggs...

rylan Feb 26, 2012 3:03 pm


Originally Posted by Thomas Hudson (Post 18085867)
I'd be happy with just some good caviar, cheeses, crackers, and a few other heavy apps and spend the $ on real good wines. Nothing better than a 7:30AM cab ride in Paris still goggle eyed and stinking of fish eggs...

I think we're on to something here... any airlines that serve caviar and blinis with good chilled vodka?

wbl-mn-flyer Feb 26, 2012 4:50 pm

Michelle Bernstein seems as happy to slap her name on any crap that will issue her a paycheck as is Wolfgang Schmuck, Emeril "Bam" Lagasse etc...

Complicated is fine if you can pull it off on the ground. But in the air? Let's start with a simple cold salami sandwich on baguette made from fine ingredients, and slowly work up from there.

The best meal I eat on a Delta flight is when I have time to stop at Surdyk's Flights in MSP before flying. On Monday the 20th I had a great smoked salmon salad, and salami/cheese plate. There's no reason at all why Delta couldn't be serving this sort of thing - or in this case the exact damn same thing - wheeled over to the airplane on golf carts Just In Time for the flight for the 10-30 people in FC.

glbetrotter Feb 26, 2012 4:55 pm


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 18086123)
I think we're on to something here... any airlines that serve caviar and blinis with good chilled vodka?

LH still does in First.

http://i1062.photobucket.com/albums/...tter/LH1st.jpg

RealHJ Feb 27, 2012 10:52 am


Originally Posted by Thomas Hudson (Post 18085867)
I'd be happy with just some good caviar, cheeses, crackers, and a few other heavy apps and spend the $ on real good wines. Nothing better than a 7:30AM cab ride in Paris still goggle eyed and stinking of fish eggs...

That's the menu of SU flights in business (e.g. usually caviar apetizer).


Originally Posted by rylan (Post 18086123)
I think we're on to something here... any airlines that serve caviar and blinis with good chilled vodka?

SU. Try it.

It doesn't taste very good though.

cestmoi123 Feb 27, 2012 10:57 am

Best meal I ever had on a plane (and this includes front cabin on most of the top-tier Asian carriers) was back in the mid/late 90s, when United offered a McDonalds cheeseburger and carrot sticks as a children's menu option. The response of the FA serving that to me in First was also amusing (not to mention the number of times my seatmate looked over at my meal enviously). Plus, there was a toy. :)

Thomas Hudson Feb 27, 2012 11:24 am


Originally Posted by glbetrotter (Post 18086605)

That is hot right there!

Thomas Hudson Feb 27, 2012 11:31 am


Originally Posted by RealHJ (Post 18090526)
That's the menu of SU flights in business (e.g. usually caviar apetizer).



SU. Try it.

It doesn't taste very good though.

I could see some MBA who is over the purchasing department at Delta patting himself on the back for saving $ by getting salmon "caviar" instead. It would include a 30 page powerpoint with built in animations.

Ya, I think it is best if Delta just stayed away from being luxury poseurs... it just is not in their DNA....

mbarreto Feb 27, 2012 11:49 am


Originally Posted by Thomas Hudson (Post 18079285)
No matter whose name is on it, it is reheated food on an airplane....

+1 Just the other day I had a steak tartar on an AF flight, that thing was so undercooked, it was almost raw. Unacceptable. I almost asked the FA to put it back in the microwave. I mean, that thing was practically cold.

Kwaj boy Feb 27, 2012 12:02 pm

On my MIA to LHR flight on DL last year I had a steak that was among the best I've had anywhere, not just on airplanes. It was perfectly cooked medium rare and the accompanying sides were just as tasty.

k2 Feb 27, 2012 7:15 pm


Originally Posted by Kwaj boy (Post 18090986)
On my MIA to LHR flight on DL last year I had a steak that was among the best I've had anywhere, not just on airplanes. It was perfectly cooked medium rare and the accompanying sides were just as tasty.

Sometimes the stars align and DL BE food is good, I'm glad to hear it still happens. One out of every 10 or so flights I give the steak a shot, but it's usually grainy with a cardboard flavor. IMO there are only two always-safe options, neither of which excites me, but they get the job done:

1) Japanese option to NRT
2) 'champagne' supper, aka cold plate


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