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Updated Delta Award Travel Blackout Dates (KE, CI, MU, AE) for all of 2012

Updated Delta Award Travel Blackout Dates (KE, CI, MU, AE) for all of 2012

Old Sep 29, 11, 2:54 am
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Lightbulb Updated Delta Award Travel Blackout Dates (KE, CI, MU, AE) for all of 2012

As I was looking for this for myself, I thought I'd share with all, yet again clearly formatted, instead of the jumble of text as it appears online.

IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY KE FLIGHT OR IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY KE FLIGHT IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY 9W FLIGHT ANY AE FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AM FLIGHT ANY AS FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY CZ FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT ANY G3 FLIGHT ANY HA FLIGHT ANY IT FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY KQ FLIGHT ANY MH FLIGHT ANY MU FLIGHT ANY OK FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT ANY SU FLIGHT ANY TN FLIGHT ANY UX FLIGHT ANY VA FLIGHT ANY VN FLIGHT TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 10SEP 11 THROUGH 14SEP 11 OR 01OCT 11 THROUGH 03OCT 11 OR 09DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11 OR 01JAN 12 THROUGH 08JAN 12 OR 20JAN 12 THROUGH 25JAN 12 OR 01MAR 12 THROUGH 04MAR 12 OR 04MAY 12 THROUGH 06MAY 12 OR 18MAY 12 THROUGH 01JUL 12 OR 14JUL 12 THROUGH 26AUG 12 OR 28SEP 12 THROUGH 03OCT 12 OR 07DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12.

IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY CI FLIGHT OR IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY CI FLIGHT IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY 9W FLIGHT ANY AE FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AM FLIGHT ANY AS FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY CZ FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT ANY G3 FLIGHT ANY HA FLIGHT ANY IT FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY KQ FLIGHT ANY MH FLIGHT ANY MU FLIGHT ANY OK FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT ANY SU FLIGHT ANY TN FLIGHT ANY UX FLIGHT ANY VA FLIGHT ANY VN FLIGHT TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 10DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11 OR 01JAN 12 THROUGH 04JAN 12 OR 16JAN 12 THROUGH 26JAN 12 OR 01JUN 12 THROUGH 31AUG 12 OR 10DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12 OR 01JAN 13 THROUGH 04JAN 13.

IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY MU FLIGHT OR IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY MU FLIGHT IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY 9W FLIGHT ANY AE FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AM FLIGHT ANY AS FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY CZ FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT ANY G3 FLIGHT ANY HA FLIGHT ANY IT FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY KQ FLIGHT ANY MH FLIGHT ANY MU FLIGHT ANY OK FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT ANY SU FLIGHT ANY TN FLIGHT ANY UX FLIGHT ANY VA FLIGHT ANY VN FLIGHT TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED ON 15SEP 11 OR ON 26SEP 11 OR 29SEP 11 THROUGH 04OCT 11 OR 06OCT 11 THROUGH 08OCT 11.

IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AE FLIGHT OR IF THE FARE COMPONENT IS ON ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY AE FLIGHT IN COMBINATION WITH ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING ANY 9W FLIGHT ANY AE FLIGHT ANY AF FLIGHT ANY AM FLIGHT ANY AS FLIGHT ANY AZ FLIGHT ANY CI FLIGHT ANY CZ FLIGHT ANY DL FLIGHT ANY G3 FLIGHT ANY HA FLIGHT ANY IT FLIGHT ANY KE FLIGHT ANY KL FLIGHT ANY KQ FLIGHT ANY MH FLIGHT ANY MU FLIGHT ANY OK FLIGHT ANY RO FLIGHT ANY SU FLIGHT ANY TN FLIGHT ANY UX FLIGHT ANY VA FLIGHT ANY VN FLIGHT TRAVEL IS NOT PERMITTED 10DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11 OR 01JAN 12 THROUGH 04JAN 12 OR 16JAN 12 THROUGH 26JAN 12 OR 01JUN 12 THROUGH 31AUG 12 OR 10DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12 OR 01JAN 13 THROUGH 04JAN 13.

Note: it seems that MU no longer has blackout dates after Oct 8, 2011.
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Old Oct 18, 11, 8:24 am
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Thank you RealHJ for posting this.

I have re-formated your info so that it's easier to read.

ANY KE FLIGHT
10SEP 11 THROUGH 14SEP 11
01OCT 11 THROUGH 03OCT 11
09DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11
01JAN 12 THROUGH 08JAN 12
20JAN 12 THROUGH 25JAN 12
01MAR 12 THROUGH 04MAR 12
04MAY 12 THROUGH 06MAY 12
18MAY 12 THROUGH 01JUL 12
14JUL 12 THROUGH 26AUG 12
28SEP 12 THROUGH 03OCT 12
07DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12


ANY CI FLIGHT
10DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11
01JAN 12 THROUGH 04JAN 12
16JAN 12 THROUGH 26JAN 12
01JUN 12 THROUGH 31AUG 12
10DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12
01JAN 13 THROUGH 04JAN 13


ANY MU FLIGHT
15SEP 11
26SEP 11
29SEP 11 THROUGH 04OCT 11
06OCT 11 THROUGH 08OCT 11


ANY AE FLIGHT
10DEC 11 THROUGH 31DEC 11
01JAN 12 THROUGH 04JAN 12
16JAN 12 THROUGH 26JAN 12
01JUN 12 THROUGH 31AUG 12
10DEC 12 THROUGH 31DEC 12
01JAN 13 THROUGH 04JAN 13
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Old Oct 18, 11, 8:54 am
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Thanks guys. This is going in my files.
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Old Oct 24, 11, 3:40 am
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Ok, glad this is posted. Thanks RealHJ, ran into the blackout dates again on CI and KE in Dec. Frustrating...
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Old Oct 24, 11, 4:02 am
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I have condensed the blackout dates even further.

KE, CI, MU, AE: Too darn often!

I do understand for MU why Chinese New Year, Mid Autumn Festival, National Day, and May Day are excepted, though.
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Old Oct 24, 11, 4:20 am
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Whats the point of being partners with these darn airlines if they have so many blackout dates? ...goodness
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Old Oct 24, 11, 4:28 am
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Originally Posted by krpjr View Post
Whats the point of being partners with these darn airlines if they have so many blackout dates? ...goodness
MU has gotten better, as there are no blackout dates listed for 2012 yet (and hopefully there won't be any). With KE, the situation is more complicated. What's going on is that KE is charging SkyPass members a higher rate for certain types of flights during certain periods, and thus they're not available to partners. However, sometimes this blackout applies only to domestic Korean flights, but DL blacks out the long-haul ones, too. See this chart. If DL IT were more sophisticated, it would just recognize the flight number ranges that were inaccessible and make them that way during the right periods. For instance, I couldn't get SYD-ICN-LHR on 23 December on KE, even though it wouldn't be at the higher rate if I were using SkyPass miles. (Wanted to stay in Oz a bit longer any way, but might have come back earlier on KE if I could to save the $320 in MH YQ I had to pay.)
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Originally Posted by mtkeller View Post
MU has gotten better, as there are no blackout dates listed for 2012 yet (and hopefully there won't be any). With KE, the situation is more complicated. What's going on is that KE is charging SkyPass members a higher rate for certain types of flights during certain periods, and thus they're not available to partners. However, sometimes this blackout applies only to domestic Korean flights, but DL blacks out the long-haul ones, too. See this chart. If DL IT were more sophisticated, it would just recognize the flight number ranges that were inaccessible and make them that way during the right periods. For instance, I couldn't get SYD-ICN-LHR on 23 December on KE, even though it wouldn't be at the higher rate if I were using SkyPass miles. (Wanted to stay in Oz a bit longer any way, but might have come back earlier on KE if I could to save the $320 in MH YQ I had to pay.)
Thanks for summing that up mate. Just these AZN carriers piss me off a bit with their blackout dates, ya know? Same thing happens on oneworld with JAL...I just hope DL blocks the same dates from KE mile users from redeeming when they block us.
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Old Oct 24, 11, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by krpjr View Post
Thanks for summing that up mate. Just these AZN carriers piss me off a bit with their blackout dates, ya know? Same thing happens on oneworld with JAL...I just hope DL blocks the same dates from KE mile users from redeeming when they block us.
Considering that DL blocks us from having access to most inventory, I don't think they need to do anything special to keep it away from KE members.
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Old Oct 24, 11, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Zomba View Post
I have condensed the blackout dates even further.

KE, CI, MU, AE: Too darn often!

I do understand for MU why Chinese New Year, Mid Autumn Festival, National Day, and May Day are excepted, though.
MU no longer has blackout dates. I suspect they just do what DL does and conveniently set award availability to zero during the busier travel times. That is easier, after all, and doesn't look as bad. (Though no one is as bad as DL, where many routes for full 1-331 days out 0 seats available at low in either class, not even one seat on one day in a low in either class for full 331 days. So, still, none of these are nearly as bad as DL is, that's my point.)
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Originally Posted by fiveninerzero View Post
Thanks guys. This is going in my files.
Mine too - Thanks!
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Old Oct 24, 11, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by krpjr View Post
Whats the point of being partners with these darn airlines if they have so many blackout dates? ...goodness
DL has more "blackout dates" if you consider that they just set availability to zero. Same difference but they can tout "NO BLACKOUT DATES."
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Old Oct 24, 11, 1:07 pm
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Originally Posted by fti View Post
DL has more "blackout dates" if you consider that they just set availability to zero. Same difference but they can tout "NO BLACKOUT DATES."
Exactly!

And I wonder what percentage of DL flights are at 0 seats available for all 331 days out in either class of service for low awards. Now THAT would be a good statistic to have.

That, and also what % of flights are WHITE-OUT'ed, which means, available for revenue sale, but not available for awards at even high mileage. From my experience, seems to be that some 5-15% of flights are white-out'ed. Which is the same as black out dates, it just is not published and apperas as white in the award calendar: for example, three daily flights, all available for revenue, but for award for 2, sometimes even 3 consecutive weeks, not a single seat at any mileage level available. If that is not black (sorry, white) out dates, I don't know what is.

Just Dullta is being its usual sleazy and underhanded about it, and is lying no blackout dates, when it clearly has some -- it just does not publish them.
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Mod, please make this sticky!
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Old Oct 24, 11, 2:06 pm
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Originally Posted by skchin View Post
Mod, please make this sticky!
With all due respect I disagree. There are already too many stickies on the DL forum. In fact, they often get passed over then people ask questions that can be found in the stickies!
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