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DL Notifies EAS, May Drop up to 24 (PMNW) markets

DL Notifies EAS, May Drop up to 24 (PMNW) markets

Old Jul 16, 11, 2:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Dawgfan6291 View Post
Lol....why? you going to right him a nasty email?
No, he was going to left him a nasty email
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Old Jul 17, 11, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingForEternity View Post
If I understand it right:

ABR, BJI, ESC, HIB, PLN, CIU, SUX and ALO are transitioning to CRJ service as they pursue EAS payments from the government.

BRD, FOD, INL, IMT, MCW and PIR will be dropped altogether. However Great Lakes Aviation is going to provide service as a EAS replacement and they will be handled by the Delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flights. They are also going to award SkyMiles credit for those flights.

APN, DVL, JMS, TVF, ATY, PIB and TUP have not been picked up by Great Lakes and Delta has an obligation to serve them until either the contract is up (unsure when) or a replacement carrier is found.
When you say " However Great Lakes Aviation is going to provide service as a EAS replacement and they will be handled by the Delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flights. They are also going to award SkyMiles credit for those flights."

Do you mean by handled by the delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flight?

Also, please tell me if this is correct:

For MSP, "ABR, BJI, HIB, SUX, ALO" are not EAS service now but will be requesting EAS payments in order to continue serving thsese markets?

For MSP, "BRD, FOD, INL, IMT, MCW, and PIR" are going to be served by Great Lakes aviation and fly under the Delta Connection banner?

For MSP, "DVL, JMS, TVF, ATY" will no longer be served by Delta or a subsidiary.

So, if I get this right:

Delta is 4 cancelling destinations for MSP for sure, and a potential for 5 more (ABR, BJI, HIB, SUX, ALO) if the government doesn't give EAS funding those those desintions.

Thanks for the help
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Old Jul 17, 11, 12:01 pm
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I remember NW flew 727's into Butte. How things change. Many of the other cities used to be North Central Airlines stations, were served witht he CVR-580.
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Old Jul 17, 11, 1:59 pm
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Pre-1978 CAB fare-setting called for a normal profit at 55% load factors, and in 1973, oil (pre-crisis) was $3/barrel. Returning to the first post, lots of destinations on the list have LFs well below that. There's no need (or shred of economic viability) for 150-seat jets on these routes today.
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Old Jul 18, 11, 9:43 am
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Originally Posted by FlyingForEternity View Post
If I understand it right:

ABR, BJI, ESC, HIB, PLN, CIU, SUX and ALO are transitioning to CRJ service as they pursue EAS payments from the government.

BRD, FOD, INL, IMT, MCW and PIR will be dropped altogether. However Great Lakes Aviation is going to provide service as a EAS replacement and they will be handled by the Delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flights. They are also going to award SkyMiles credit for those flights.

APN, DVL, JMS, TVF, ATY, PIB and TUP have not been picked up by Great Lakes and Delta has an obligation to serve them until either the contract is up (unsure when) or a replacement carrier is found.

Originally Posted by stlhoosier View Post
When you say " However Great Lakes Aviation is going to provide service as a EAS replacement and they will be handled by the Delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flights. They are also going to award SkyMiles credit for those flights."

Do you mean by handled by the delta subsidiary that currently does the Delta Connection flight?

Also, please tell me if this is correct:

For MSP, "ABR, BJI, HIB, SUX, ALO" are not EAS service now but will be requesting EAS payments in order to continue serving thsese markets?

For MSP, "BRD, FOD, INL, IMT, MCW, and PIR" are going to be served by Great Lakes aviation and fly under the Delta Connection banner?

For MSP, "DVL, JMS, TVF, ATY" will no longer be served by Delta or a subsidiary.

So, if I get this right:

Delta is 4 cancelling destinations for MSP for sure, and a potential for 5 more (ABR, BJI, HIB, SUX, ALO) if the government doesn't give EAS funding those those desintions.

Thanks for the help
Any thoughts on this?
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Old Jul 18, 11, 9:22 pm
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NYT: Delta cutting service to rural areas

From today's New York Times, partly a re-hashing of last Friday's memo from DL. Mods, sorry if this belongs in Newsstand instead.

24 Small Towns May Lose Air Service
By JOE SHARKEY
Published: July 18, 201


Rural America, already struggling to recover from the recession and the flight of its young people, is about to take another blow: the loss of its airline service.

That was underscored last week when Delta Air Lines announced that it “can no longer afford” to continue service at 24 small airports. The carrier says it is losing a total of $14 million a year on flights from places like Thief River Falls, a city of 8,600 in northwest Minnesota that fills only 12 percent of the seats, or Pierre, the capital of South Dakota, where Delta’s two daily flights are on average less than half full.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/19/bu...e-service.html

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Old Jul 18, 11, 9:25 pm
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Looks like the NYT is a few days behind, the news broke late last week: http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...w-markets.html
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Old Jul 18, 11, 9:50 pm
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It's hard to get a copy of the NY Times in Rural areas too
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Old Jul 18, 11, 9:55 pm
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It's hard to get a copy of the NY Times in Rural areas too
Beat me to it! That big BAD southern airline is not being fair to a community with a population density of 1 person per square mile...

Doesn't surprise me that the NYT thinks EAS is a good idea.
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Old Jul 18, 11, 10:10 pm
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"Flights in these markets on average depart with 52 percent of the seats filled, with some locations as low as 12 percent." It is possible to create a self-fulfilling prophecy. Keep fares inflated (even in markets where there is an outside subsidy) so that people cannot afford to fly. Then blame them for not filling the planes.
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Old Jul 18, 11, 10:18 pm
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I used to travel to many of these small places in a previous job. Whenever I asked people who lived there if they used their local airport they almost always laughed and then said they made the drive to XYZ econo hub or spoke for better fares and direct flights. Time to pull the plug on the EAS.

Country folk are used to driving long distances. They do live in the COUNTRY after all.
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Old Jul 19, 11, 12:00 am
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So in the last few months, Delta has decided to close the former Northwest training center (which aside from the DC9s is still heavily used), close half the maintenance hangars at MSP, close one of the two remaining office buildings at the MSP airport, and eliminate all service to many of the Upper Midwest cities that, via a connection in MSP, allowed them to easily fly to anywhere in the world?

This is the beginning of the end of Delta's "commitment" to MSP, Minnesota, and the Upper Midwest. Born a Southern airline, always a Southern airline, I guess.

Interestingly enough, and someone can/will check me on my facts, but I think DAL received more $/year in EAS subsidies for some of these individual routes than they do from the Greater Allegheny coalition that is inexplicably keeping that PIT-CDG flight alive.
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Old Jul 19, 11, 2:52 am
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Another nail in the coffin of the MSP hub.
Delta is going to eliminate as much of the added value that Northwest provided to the nation and to its customers as possible.
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Old Jul 19, 11, 4:14 am
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Originally Posted by lsugolfer View Post
Beat me to it! That big BAD southern airline is not being fair ...
Eyeroll ... did the article actually say that?


Were rural America, said Laurie Gill, the mayor. Its hard for me to understand a business decision to eliminate commercial air service based on the growth that weve seen here.

The mayor is clearly a liberal-socialist-communist who hates Delta and America!
Probably a closeted New York Times reader too.

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Old Jul 19, 11, 4:22 am
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As DL isn't a public sector utility-- even as DL relies upon public sector allowances -- these cuts shouldn't be a surprise. DL will do a lot of things to try to make more money, and cutting itself into "profitability" like this is just another sign of that. AA and UA/CO are on the same path. Lemmings, the lot of them.
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