DL Notifies EAS, May Drop up to 24 (PMNW) markets
Jul 20, 2011, 6:54 pm
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I know they are retiring the Saab 340's, but what about the Embraer 120 Brasilia's? I know they are flown by SkyWest and they own 45 according to their website. I also know they fly at least from Cedar City (CDC) to Salt Lake (SLC) as Delta Connection but not sure where else they fly in the Delta system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...C-6_Twin_OtterYou can operate that plane with 19 pax and just one pilot. Should be cheaper than the Saab and you can keep the service to the PMNW markets.
Jul 20, 2011, 7:06 pm
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No Twin Otters...but, how about a Navajo or two...lol
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac...r%20Navajo.jpg
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac...r%20Navajo.jpg
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Jul 20, 2011, 7:17 pm
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No Twin Otters...but, how about a Navajo or two...lol
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac...r%20Navajo.jpg
http://www.edcoatescollection.com/ac...r%20Navajo.jpg
http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviatio.../3/0005321.jpg
Jul 20, 2011, 7:22 pm
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Would this work??
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Jul 20, 2011, 7:27 pm
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And...last but not least....maybe a "Bandit"?
http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...21TgqN0pM1jOub
(Thanks for allowing me the trip down Memory Lane)
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Jul 20, 2011, 8:07 pm
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"Europe has a vast and viable network of high-speed rail" Viable yes, Vast? Not yet, maybe in another decade. France DOES, Germany DOES, The UK DOES NOT, SPAIN is starting to, Belgium is collateral and the rest of teh continent does NOT. You vant vast and viable talk China from 2008-1015.
Jul 20, 2011, 10:31 pm
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Speaking about aircraft, how about DL buying a bunch of de Havilland Canada DHC-6 Twin Otters http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...C-6_Twin_Otter
You can operate that plane with 19 pax and just one pilot. Should be cheaper than the Saab and you can keep the service to the PMNW markets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havi...C-6_Twin_OtterYou can operate that plane with 19 pax and just one pilot. Should be cheaper than the Saab and you can keep the service to the PMNW markets.
Jul 20, 2011, 10:37 pm
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Thanks armchair economist.
They move there to fix the backward ways of their Southern brethren, but are too nice to break it to them.
Europe has a vast and viable network of high-speed rail, for one thing. The U.S. can't seem to get a single line built in a country that needs it desperately.
Distance may be 100-150 miles, which is not "an hour" of driving. Many times even the U.S. highways go through small towns which require slowing down, stoplights, etc. And after those 100-150 miles, they arrive at an airport that still has very limited service (unlike ORD/MKE) which may still be dominated by one carrier and have very high fares. Plus, your hour in a major metropolitan area example fails to mention that often there is a viable public transportation option to/from the airport, which cuts town on traffic stress, parking fees, gas to/from the airport, etc. You don't necessarily have to drive, even if you live "an hour" from ORD/MKE.
I won't spoil the trivia fun, but it was two years earlier than the U.S. did after finally losing the war (BTW, I hope y'all are over that by now). What, exactly, are we trying to prove with this question?
For extra credit, can you name the states that still banned interracial marriage as late as 1967? And how about which states never banned it to begin with?
They move there to fix the backward ways of their Southern brethren, but are too nice to break it to them.
Europe has a vast and viable network of high-speed rail, for one thing. The U.S. can't seem to get a single line built in a country that needs it desperately.
Distance may be 100-150 miles, which is not "an hour" of driving. Many times even the U.S. highways go through small towns which require slowing down, stoplights, etc. And after those 100-150 miles, they arrive at an airport that still has very limited service (unlike ORD/MKE) which may still be dominated by one carrier and have very high fares. Plus, your hour in a major metropolitan area example fails to mention that often there is a viable public transportation option to/from the airport, which cuts town on traffic stress, parking fees, gas to/from the airport, etc. You don't necessarily have to drive, even if you live "an hour" from ORD/MKE.
I won't spoil the trivia fun, but it was two years earlier than the U.S. did after finally losing the war (BTW, I hope y'all are over that by now). What, exactly, are we trying to prove with this question?
For extra credit, can you name the states that still banned interracial marriage as late as 1967? And how about which states never banned it to begin with?
Jul 21, 2011, 12:18 am
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Distance may be 100-150 miles, which is not "an hour" of driving. Many times even the U.S. highways go through small towns which require slowing down, stoplights, etc. And after those 100-150 miles, they arrive at an airport that still has very limited service (unlike ORD/MKE) which may still be dominated by one carrier and have very high fares. Plus, your hour in a major metropolitan area example fails to mention that often there is a viable public transportation option to/from the airport, which cuts town on traffic stress, parking fees, gas to/from the airport, etc. You don't necessarily have to drive, even if you live "an hour" from ORD/MKE.
And you grossly overestimate the viability of public transport to to/from most American airports. And where public transport options do exist, they certainly don't cut down on stress. Where they exist, such transport options are primarily useful to go from city center to the airport, they are not usually useful to get to and from the primary residential areas, especially the suburban areas where most people live.
As an example, to get from the Sheraton in Boston's Back Bay to BOS would, per the MBTA website, take 50 minutes to an hour. This would require a 6 minute walk to start and 2 connections. This is for a trip that, by car, would be 5 to 6 miles. Hardly convenient.
Jul 21, 2011, 12:59 am
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Some of the most vocal voices in the States today want to take the country back 200 years and compare themselves favorably only to the most ruthless of ancient examples. It is time instead to look forward and actually catch up with the rest of the world, including in transport. Instead we see defeatism and excuse making. "We can't do it because...<insert today's excuse here>".
Jul 21, 2011, 4:07 am
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It really isn't that vast. The very, very densely populated countries such as France have some high-speed rail, but places like Sweden do not.
And, even were it viable in Europe, it wouldn't be viable in the US. The population density of the US is roughly 30% that of the EU. And distances are much more vast. High speed rail would not be viable if we were running the lines to Bemidji.
And, even were it viable in Europe, it wouldn't be viable in the US. The population density of the US is roughly 30% that of the EU. And distances are much more vast. High speed rail would not be viable if we were running the lines to Bemidji.
While Sweden does not have high-speed rail as some would term it, it has a great transit network in terms of how extensively it covers the country. Rail and bus and small regional airports with commercial service cover much of the country that is in the same geographic size league as California in terms of area but has a population density rather close to Iowa's.
If some don't get it, Sweden has a population density in the same league as Iowa's with a geographic area nearly in the same league as California and yet it has trains, buses, and trams covering Sweden far more extensively than is the case in most of the US, even in places like Minnesota and Wisconsin which have a greater population density than Sweden and a combined population larger than Sweden's. So that Bemidji example argument is impotent, as would be obvious to someone who spends time up there in MN regularly and also spends time regularly in Sweden in places that are just as "remote" as Bemidji.
Good public transit infrastructure isn't that much of a priority in the US as it is in Sweden -- not because of population density or the like. It's because of a public preference for personal cars and because resources that could be used for public transit infrastructure are allocated for other things. Development in such direction (as Sweden or Denmark) faces opposition from business, ideological and some other interest groups in the US in a way that has not as traditionally been the case in that part of Europe.
Then again, when in a place like Denmark, public transit infrastructure is encouraged by way of taxes on cars and fuel which are on a scale that would shock most Americans.
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Jul 21, 2011, 7:27 am
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You mean the first shareholding corporation in the history of the world that became the model upon which today's American Predatory Captialist corporations are built even as much of the rest of the world has left behind this naive, faulty, irresponsible and antiquated 18th century "free" market ideology and moved on to new forms of social capitalism, resulting in Europe, for example having more Fortune 500 companies than the US and China combined?
Some of the most vocal voices in the States today want to take the country back 200 years and compare themselves favorably only to the most ruthless of ancient examples. It is time instead to look forward and actually catch up with the rest of the world, including in transport. Instead we see defeatism and excuse making. "We can't do it because...<insert today's excuse here>".
Some of the most vocal voices in the States today want to take the country back 200 years and compare themselves favorably only to the most ruthless of ancient examples. It is time instead to look forward and actually catch up with the rest of the world, including in transport. Instead we see defeatism and excuse making. "We can't do it because...<insert today's excuse here>".
