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apolloms Jun 29, 2011 8:11 am

upgrades at the window
 
Shouldn't DM and PMs be upgraded today for a flight on monday July 4?

I've got a companion on my ticket so I know we won't get upgraded until the 24 hr window at the earliest, but yesterday the two flights were showing V9 V7, and same today.....if that's the case, is it safe to say odds are looking good?

bubbashow Jun 29, 2011 8:25 am

I was upgraded yesterday for a PHXDTW flight on 7/4 at the PM window. F class seatmap barely changed. Have a buddy on the same flight who is GM. When he was upgraded on the OUTBOUND at the window, there were still 16 F class left on the 753 (per seat map). I would imagine this is an elite-light weekend in many markets.

akonradi Jun 29, 2011 8:30 am

I am the only one in F for a Monday flight that was upgraded at the window yesterday afternoon. It's probably not a heavy business travel day. I'm looking at SDC options, and many ATL-LAX flights show "upgrade available," which is a rarity anymore.

If there aren't many preferred seats taken, you probably have a good chance of clearing a companion upgrade.

apolloms Jun 29, 2011 8:35 am

thanks! i was pretty sure yesterday was the unofficial window upgrade day, but that's good news to hear. lots of preferred seats available on both flights, for some reason, in the rows of preferred seats the window and aisle are available but the middle seats are showing unavailable.

hoping that shows not many GM and FOs on the flight....as a plat with a companion, we clear after the FOs correct?

akonradi Jun 29, 2011 8:48 am


Originally Posted by ianturner (Post 16644889)
thanks! i was pretty sure yesterday was the unofficial window upgrade day, but that's good news to hear. lots of preferred seats available on both flights, for some reason, in the rows of preferred seats the window and aisle are available but the middle seats are showing unavailable.

Most middle seats (i.e. not in exit rows) are no longer preferred seats. Anyone can select them.


hoping that shows not many GM and FOs on the flight....as a plat with a companion, we clear after the FOs correct?
Correct. If there is still V space in advance of the flight, medallions with companions will start to clear after Silvers.

apolloms Jun 29, 2011 8:52 am


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16644965)

Correct. If there is still V space in advance of the flight, medallions with companions will start to clear after Silvers.

fingers crossed...looking good so far. i'm pretty sure COS-ATL is elite light, but ATL-PHL has been decent in elites...hoping this decision to travel on the 4th rather than the 3rd pays off.

mlad1101 Jun 29, 2011 9:28 am

You are traveling on a national holiday. Mostly leisure travelers whilst the majority of elites are business travelers, so I would say your odds are fairly good and it will not compare in terms of upgrade chances to a normal Monday.

Also if there is availability you both will be upgraded on Jul 2, not T-24.

GaryO3 Jun 29, 2011 10:38 am


Originally Posted by ianturner (Post 16644889)
thanks! i was pretty sure yesterday was the unofficial window upgrade day, but that's good news to hear. lots of preferred seats available on both flights, for some reason, in the rows of preferred seats the window and aisle are available but the middle seats are showing unavailable.


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16644965)
Most middle seats (i.e. not in exit rows) are no longer preferred seats. Anyone can select them.

I am beginning to wonder if DL is blocking some of those middle seats? I booked 2 sets of tickets yesterday for 2 weeks out and over a month out and on all 8 segments, about 1/2 of the preferred seats on the 3 side had "occupied" middle seats while the back of the plane was practically empty...

cfischer Jun 29, 2011 10:42 am

heavy traval and light Elite loads = battlefield UGs. They will hold seats on full flights to sell P class for last minute travel and the remaining seats will go out at the gate. My flights on 7-4 still show plenty avail. in F, but I am sure they are holding them since the back is full.
This is quite normal for holiday weekends.

apolloms Jun 29, 2011 11:51 am


Originally Posted by cfischer (Post 16645680)
heavy traval and light Elite loads = battlefield UGs. They will hold seats on full flights to sell P class for last minute travel and the remaining seats will go out at the gate. My flights on 7-4 still show plenty avail. in F, but I am sure they are holding them since the back is full.
This is quite normal for holiday weekends.

normally i'd agree, but they are showing V9 and V7 so it doesnt appear they are holding anything back...

LarryJ Jun 29, 2011 5:55 pm

I thought I understood this but apparently I'm still confused.

I just received an email notification that my upgrade had cleared for my Friday evening, July 1, flight. I'm just FO so I thought I wouldn't clear until T-24. The email was received at about 6:15pm on Wednesday for a 6:40pm Friday departure so it's a bit over T-48. Availability is currently showing F4 P4 A0, though I didn't check it prior to receiving my upgrade as I wasn't really expecting to get one.

Luckily I'll have a nice, FC seat, in which to ponder my bewilderment...

mersk862 Jun 29, 2011 6:14 pm

No issues clearing SLC-LAX-MIA-LAX-SLC for me at the DM windows for this weekend.

mersk862 Jun 29, 2011 6:15 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 16648183)
I thought I understood this but apparently I'm still confused.

I just received an email notification that my upgrade had cleared for my Friday evening, July 1, flight. I'm just FO so I thought I wouldn't clear until T-24. The email was received at about 6:15pm on Wednesday for a 6:40pm Friday departure so it's a bit over T-48. Availability is currently showing F4 P4 A0, though I didn't check it prior to receiving my upgrade as I wasn't really expecting to get one.

Luckily I'll have a nice, FC seat, in which to ponder my bewilderment...

FOs clear at about 6 pm Atlanta time 2 days before departure. No more 24/48/72/100/etc windows for upgrade on Delta.

curl Jun 29, 2011 8:08 pm

well, boo. my ug for 7/1 hasn't cleared yet and only three seats taken in FC. are you sure that's when it happens??

mlad1101 Jun 29, 2011 8:49 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 16648183)
I thought I understood this but apparently I'm still confused.

I just received an email notification that my upgrade had cleared for my Friday evening, July 1, flight. I'm just FO so I thought I wouldn't clear until T-24. The email was received at about 6:15pm on Wednesday for a 6:40pm Friday departure so it's a bit over T-48. Availability is currently showing F4 P4 A0, though I didn't check it prior to receiving my upgrade as I wasn't really expecting to get one.

Luckily I'll have a nice, FC seat, in which to ponder my bewilderment...

Someone answered the window part for you, but figured I'd let you know, upgrades have nothing to do with F/P/A... that is relative to seats for sale and doesn't correlate with upgrade availability. Upgrades come out of X or V.


Originally Posted by curl (Post 16648760)
well, boo. my ug for 7/1 hasn't cleared yet and only three seats taken in FC. are you sure that's when it happens??

For it to clear there has to be X/V availability, if there is none, you will have to clear at the gate, regardless of amount of open first class seats showing. Also if GM as your profile states you would have cleared 4 days out if there had been X/V inventory.

TropicalTripper Jun 29, 2011 8:56 pm

My wife and I both got upgraded at our windows (PLAT/GOLD) for a 7PM DCA-ATL flight on Friday. I guess the business travelers are getting out of town early. We flew the same flight on the Friday before Memorial Day and I got mine at the window and she got hers at the gate by waiting it out while people head of her on the list boarded.

My U/Gs also cleared for DEN-CVG-DCA on the 4th and hopefully the the wife will clear tomorrow. Her res is linked to her father, who will be traveling with us. It's my understanding that since they're in different PNRs she doesn't process at the 24-hr window like him. My first time setting up a companion upgrade like this, so I guess we'll find out. Both flights look real good.

Still waiting for an U/G on my ATL-DEN flight this Friday. DL.com shows only 4 FC seats for sale, so probably no V inventory.

I've been batting pretty good lately, even though I often fly out of DCA on Friday evenings.

LarryJ Jun 29, 2011 11:26 pm


Originally Posted by mersk862 (Post 16648289)
FOs clear at about 6 pm Atlanta time 2 days before departure. No more 24/48/72/100/etc windows for upgrade on Delta.

Ah, that makes more sense. That's exactly when it happened. Thanks!


Originally Posted by mlad1101 (Post 16648958)
Someone answered the window part for you, but figured I'd let you know, upgrades have nothing to do with F/P/A... that is relative to seats for sale and doesn't correlate with upgrade availability. Upgrades come out of X or V.

KVS isn't showing X or V for the flight, or other DL flights I'm looking at on the route.

DL 5792 BNA 18:40 DTW 21:20 E75 0 F4 P4 A0 Y1 B0 M0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 E0

akonradi Jun 29, 2011 11:29 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 16649481)
KVS isn't showing X or V for the flight, or other DL flights I'm looking at on the route.

KVS doesn't show upgrade availability for Delta. It will never display V, G, X or Z inventories, even if space exists.

flymonthly Jun 30, 2011 12:23 am


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16649490)
KVS doesn't show upgrade availability for Delta. It will never display V, G, X or Z inventories, even if space exists.

+1 However, ExpertFlyer does.:)

MikeyZBT Jun 30, 2011 2:11 am

Surprised I didn't get SAN-ATL redeye on Thurs... Keeping fingers crossed for Monday night return.

Bison9073 Jun 30, 2011 2:53 am

I didn't have any problem clearing for my MSP-PHX flight on July 1st. Pretty excited to get back to the USA as I have been in the Middle East since December 29th, so this was a nice treat to come home to.

curl Jun 30, 2011 6:05 am

still waiting to clear for tomorrow. Y is sold out but tons of FC seats. suppose they are holding the 9 FC seats for last minute buys? i love battlefield upgrades. :p

KDS Jun 30, 2011 11:55 am


Originally Posted by ianturner (Post 16644750)
...yesterday the two flights were showing V9 V7, and same today...

Just wondering about this terminology's meaning, and how one "finds" this status for a flight? Still learning the ropes here in DL forum... Thanks.

traveller99 Jun 30, 2011 12:04 pm


Originally Posted by KDS (Post 16652089)
Just wondering about this terminology's meaning, and how one "finds" this status for a flight? Still learning the ropes here in DL forum... Thanks.

Expertflyer.com. Great tool if you fly a lot.

kevinjrwagner Jun 30, 2011 12:20 pm

So Expertflyer is really worth the membership fee?

traveller99 Jun 30, 2011 12:23 pm


Originally Posted by kevinjrwagner (Post 16652222)
So Expertflyer is really worth the membership fee?

It is for me. My wife and I are both PM and we typically choose SWU for perks. We fly TPAC and TATL twice a year and use EF to search for Z availability before we buy the tickets. Always the best way to go. :cool:

KVS Jun 30, 2011 12:35 pm


Originally Posted by LarryJ (Post 16649481)
KVS isn't showing X or V for the flight, or other DL flights I'm looking at on the route.

DL 5792 BNA 18:40 DTW 21:20 E75 0 F4 P4 A0 Y1 B0 M0 H0 Q0 K0 L0 U0 T0 E0

The KVS Tool currently supports DL Award, but not Upgrade Availability. Please see http://Help.KVSTool.com/#Classes for details.

davisew Jun 30, 2011 12:51 pm

There's always the brute-force method to find V inventory:

1) Go to dl.com
2) Make sure you're logged in
3) Advanced Search for full Y fares
4) # of passengers = 1
5) Review results. "Upgrade Available"? V>=1. "Upgrade Eligible"? V=0
6) Repeat search with n+1 passengers until "Available" changes to "Eligible", n-1 = V

ExpertFlyer Voice Jun 30, 2011 12:53 pm


Originally Posted by akonradi (Post 16649490)
KVS doesn't show upgrade availability for Delta. It will never display V, G, X or Z inventories, even if space exists.

That is correct, ExpertFlyer.com is the only way to see the DL upgrade inventory class values.


Originally Posted by traveller99 (Post 16652234)
It is for me. My wife and I are both PM and we typically choose SWU for perks. We fly TPAC and TATL twice a year and use EF to search for Z availability before we buy the tickets. Always the best way to go. :cool:

Glad we're able to help out traveller99!

apolloms Jul 2, 2011 10:18 am

so my companion upgrade should clear for both of us around 6pm EST tonight for a flight on 7/4 correct?

mlad1101 Jul 2, 2011 11:00 am


Originally Posted by ianturner (Post 16661486)
so my companion upgrade should clear for both of us around 6pm EST tonight for a flight on 7/4 correct?

Correct... If there is X/V inventory.

mnredfox Jul 2, 2011 11:40 am


Originally Posted by davisew (Post 16652389)
There's always the brute-force method to find V inventory:

1) Go to dl.com
2) Make sure you're logged in
3) Advanced Search for full Y fares
4) # of passengers = 1
5) Review results. "Upgrade Available"? V>=1. "Upgrade Eligible"? V=0
6) Repeat search with n+1 passengers until "Available" changes to "Eligible", n-1 = V

Brute force indeed.

apolloms Jul 2, 2011 11:55 am


Originally Posted by mlad1101 (Post 16661626)
Correct... If there is X/V inventory.

K. Showing 9 and 6 right now

BusTrav8yrs Jul 2, 2011 1:22 pm

I doubt it is FCM, more likely holding back seats on holiday weekend. Same as how they jack gas prices. If it was my business I would do the same. It caused me to sit in back on my thurs flight but I am not going to get bent about it.

apolloms Jul 2, 2011 7:16 pm

got the upgrade but unfortunately we aren't sitting together on the first leg...

hoping someone will be willing to switch a window for an aisle.

BergerPHL Jul 3, 2011 11:29 am

I agree with the idea on the possibility of holding back seats on a holiday weekend, my outbound (PHL - ATL) on 7-5 just cleared this morning, but my return on 7-7 cleared seven days out, have never seen that before.


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