First Class Monetization, or FCM: The Definitive Thread
Mar 17, 2019, 10:59 am
#4396
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Original purchased fare appears to have nothing to do with upgrade offer these days. From what I've seen, upgrade price largely varies with availability in the F buckets. It'd probably be more helpful if people provided the F bucket inventory rather than original fare. In this case, DL1254 is Z1, while DL2775 is D2, so DL2775 gets a significantly higher FCM price. Also, there's really no point in giving the mileage amount since it is simply the cash price minus the 7.5% US Excise tax at the rate of 1 CPM. Here's the magic formula to get mileage amount ( price / .01075 ).
Last edited by xliioper; Mar 17, 2019 at 11:12 am
Mar 17, 2019, 12:40 pm
#4397
Join Date: Mar 2015
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Mar 17, 2019, 12:40 pm
#4398
Join Date: Mar 2015
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Original purchased fare appears to have nothing to do with upgrade offer these days. From what I've seen, upgrade price largely varies with availability in the F buckets. It'd probably be more helpful if people provided the F bucket inventory rather than original fare. In this case, DL1254 is Z1, while DL2775 is D2, so DL2775 gets a significantly higher FCM price. Also, there's really no point in giving the mileage amount since it is simply the cash price minus the 7.5% US Excise tax at the rate of 1 CPM. Here's the magic formula to get mileage amount ( price / .01075 ).
Mar 19, 2019, 7:01 am
#4399
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: San Diego, CA
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BWI - MSP - SAN 9 days out is $298.85 for both segments. Probably the best offer I've seen. 14 F seats available on MSP - SAN segment on a 739, only 1 seat taken on BWI - MSP on a 738.
I might get at least one of those upgrades as a Plat. Got BWI - DTW - SAN all the way a few weeks ago.
Edit: Did not go for it and ended up getting the upgrades on both segments. I was surprised by the BWI - MSP portion since I was #3 on the list and only 2 seats were available. Did not expect the seat update ticket to pop up.
I might get at least one of those upgrades as a Plat. Got BWI - DTW - SAN all the way a few weeks ago.
Edit: Did not go for it and ended up getting the upgrades on both segments. I was surprised by the BWI - MSP portion since I was #3 on the list and only 2 seats were available. Did not expect the seat update ticket to pop up.
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:32 pm
#4403
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: SE MI
Programs: DL SM, DL Amex Plat, Hilton Silver
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Question: If I check in at T-24 for the first leg of a two leg trip, am I just as likely to see a 'real' FCM offer for the second leg as well as the first, or do I need to do something to properly trigger an FCM offer at T-24 for the second leg?
EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.
EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:56 pm
#4404
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Mar 19, 2019, 7:59 pm
#4405
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: Tacoma, WA
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Question: If I check in at T-24 for the first leg of a two leg trip, am I just as likely to see a 'real' FCM offer for the second leg as well as the first, or do I need to do something to properly trigger an FCM offer at T-24 for the second leg?
EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.
EDIT: Said first leg currently has a C+ to F FCM offer of $651 for DTW-JFK 23 days out with 3 open in F. lolz.
And, for whatever reason, FCM offers are always stupid expensive for me until I get within 7 or so days of my trip. My FCM offer for an April 4th SEA-DTW leg is currently showing $638 but typically drops to $375 the week of. Still not a great deal though.
Mar 20, 2019, 6:19 am
#4406
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: SE MI
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When I check into the first leg of a round trip flight, I always see the FC cabin blocked out for the return leg and no FCM offers are subsequently shown. I always have to call in to UG after the fact, although I have seen the option to UG at OLCI if I use the website.
And, for whatever reason, FCM offers are always stupid expensive for me until I get within 7 or so days of my trip. My FCM offer for an April 4th SEA-DTW leg is currently showing $638 but typically drops to $375 the week of. Still not a great deal though.
And, for whatever reason, FCM offers are always stupid expensive for me until I get within 7 or so days of my trip. My FCM offer for an April 4th SEA-DTW leg is currently showing $638 but typically drops to $375 the week of. Still not a great deal though.
Mar 20, 2019, 10:40 am
#4408
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Seatmap availability does not need to have any correlation with Fare bucket availability. In this case, DL4933 on 3/27 is J9 C9 D0 I0 Z0. So again, price seems to correlate with the bucket availability, not the number of open seats. As you can see there is only availability in the pricey J and C buckets, and the cheaper D/I/Z buckets are all zero'd out. Note that BCD Travel has a free availability checker tool.
Mar 20, 2019, 11:44 am
#4409
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Now in the UG window for flights on weekend (SAT-ATL-MLB), but no upgrades have cleared yet.
$680 to buy-up on SAT-ATL
$714 to buy-up on ATL-MLB
Nearly $1400 to buy-up for both legs.
I mean, good for DL if they can get someone to buy-up at that price, but really? $1400 for SAT-ATL-MLB? I think I'll tough it out in C+
$680 to buy-up on SAT-ATL
$714 to buy-up on ATL-MLB
Nearly $1400 to buy-up for both legs.
I mean, good for DL if they can get someone to buy-up at that price, but really? $1400 for SAT-ATL-MLB? I think I'll tough it out in C+