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jrl767 May 25, 2019 9:37 am

I wasn’t entirely clear ... using $$ to FCM a non-refundable coach ticket results in a reissue, but the RULES of the original ticket (e.g., $200 fee for change or cancellation) remain in place — it’s just as if you had purchased the I/Z/D ticket at the outset

jdrtravel May 25, 2019 9:41 am


Originally Posted by jrl767 (Post 31137639)
it’s just as if you had purchased the I/Z/D ticket at the outset

I don't think that's totally true. If you try to change or cancel that ticket, you will only get back (in a credit) the value of the original coach ticket less the change fee. The money or miles spent to upgrade is entirely lost, unless you call and plead your case.

lost_perspicacity May 30, 2019 11:27 am

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Duke787 May 30, 2019 12:13 pm

RDU - LGA , CR9 $44 (about 4 weeks out)
LGA - RDU, CR9 $44 (about 4 weeks out)
RDU - AUS, CR9 $99 (about 6 weeks out)
AUS - ATL - RDU, A321 $200 for combined purchase (about 6 weeks out)

The $44 is tempting but midweek RDU - LGA I'll take my chances on the PM upgrade and be fine with the C+ and free drink for a short flight if it doesn't clear.

RDU - AUS is very tempting at $99 -- if I needed the MQMs I would be all over it but it's the MQDs I really need (thanks to MQM rollover) so saving some of my incremental for a potential MQD partner run later in the year

Paplover May 30, 2019 4:45 pm

Someone at Revenue Management is crazy. For a trip next Wednesday -
PSC-SEA (175 miles) - $164
SEA-JFK - $993
JFK-SYR - N/A (on CRJ)
the following week -
YOW-YYZ - N/A (on WestJet DH-400)
YYZ-SLC - $139
SLC-PSC - $84

$165 for a less than 30 minute flight where at best you get coach snacks and a drink!!
Almost an extra $1000 for SEA-JFK?

Wow. On an H fare so not a bargain fare. PSC-SEA has 9 empty seats on a E175, selling Z fares for $207. PSC-JFK is $404 for L and $623 for I on the same flights. Adding SYR bumps coach and F fares by about $200 each.

hnewman May 31, 2019 4:22 am

DL was asking 12/28 $400 MSP-SJU and 1/4 $890 SJU-MSP. Just both for $194 each way so total of $388. Best price value on FCM ever for me. 5+ hour flight each way.

alanstar May 31, 2019 6:17 am

BOS-SEA-ANC this August. Was offered an upgrade to F on the SEA-ANC leg for $120 or 12k miles - jumped on that mileage deal, felt it was definitely worth it for a 3.5 hour flight!

(The C+ upgrade was 10,400 miles.)

hi55us May 31, 2019 12:25 pm


Originally Posted by Paplover (Post 31155008)
Someone at Revenue Management is crazy. For a trip next Wednesday -
PSC-SEA (175 miles) - $164
SEA-JFK - $993
JFK-SUR - N/A (on CRJ)
the following week -
YOW-YYZ - N/A (on WestJet DH-400)
YYZ-SLC - $139
SLC-PSC - $84

$165 for a less than 30 minute flight where at best you get coach snacks and a drink!!
Almost an extra $1000 for SEA-JFK?

Wow. On an H fare so not a bargain fare. PSC-SEA has 9 empty seats on a E175, selling Z fares for $207. PSC-JFK is $404 for L and $623 for I on the same flights. Adding SYR bumps coach and F fares by about $200 each.

Yeah That's crazy. I've been buying up on PSC-SEA for like $29 which gets you 2 checked bags + skypriority all the way to your final destination, even if you're flying PSC-SEA-BOS.

gooselee May 31, 2019 12:37 pm


Originally Posted by jrl767 (Post 31133141)
I asked the PM line about this a couple weeks ago; the agent said using miles is considered a “seat upgrade” (i.e., non-refundable, since the ticket wouldn’t actually get reissued) ... paying $$ for the upgrade generates a new ticket in the higher fare class, and the entire value retains the non-refundable basis of the original ticket

Wait - I thought using miles for FCM was essentially a PWM thing, and would result in reticketing in the premium cabin fare class.

Does this mean using miles for an FCM offer also does not result in front-cabin SDC rules and MQM earning? I'm considering paying 6900 RDM for an upcoming short hop but will dish out $70 instead as I'm mostly doing it for SDC flexibility.

Zorak May 31, 2019 12:51 pm


Originally Posted by gooselee (Post 31157847)
Wait - I thought using miles for FCM was essentially a PWM thing, and would result in reticketing in the premium cabin fare class.

Does this mean using miles for an FCM offer also does not result in front-cabin SDC rules and MQM earning? I'm considering paying 6900 RDM for an upcoming short hop but will dish out $70 instead as I'm mostly doing it for SDC flexibility.

Recent DPs seem to be that you get 150% MQMs.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ade-miles.html

MCO Flyer May 31, 2019 3:00 pm


Originally Posted by Zorak (Post 31157893)
Recent DPs seem to be that you get 150% MQMs.

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ade-miles.html

I feel that this needs to be a wiki post on this forum somewhere since this question gets asked so often.


If original ticket was purchased with cash or PWM:
- Upgrading with $ or miles will result in the 150% MQM bonus if FCM offer was purchased before OLCI
- Extra MQDs will be earned for the cash portion of the UG cost.
- New ticket will be considered FC fare for SDC purposes as long as the UG was purchased before OLCI.

If original ticket was an award ticket (not PWM):
- No bonus MQMs are awarded if using miles or cash
- MQDs will be earned for the cash amounts used for UGs.
- New ticket will be considered a FC fare for SDC purposes as long as the UG was purchased before OLCI.

Zorak May 31, 2019 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by MCO Flyer (Post 31158202)
I feel that this needs to be a wiki post on this forum somewhere since this question gets asked so often.

I did copy that post into a wiki on that thread, and also suggested via the mod button that it be merged with another recent miles upgrade thread.

​​​​I'm agnostic on whether it's a distinct enough topic to avoid being merged into *this* thread but at least a pointer to it could be put into this thread's wiki...

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CMK10 Jun 4, 2019 3:12 pm


Originally Posted by Duke787 (Post 31154183)
RDU - LGA , CR9 $44 (about 4 weeks out)
LGA - RDU, CR9 $44 (about 4 weeks out)
RDU - AUS, CR9 $99 (about 6 weeks out)
AUS - ATL - RDU, A321 $200 for combined purchase (about 6 weeks out)

The $44 is tempting but midweek RDU - LGA I'll take my chances on the PM upgrade and be fine with the C+ and free drink for a short flight if it doesn't clear.

RDU - AUS is very tempting at $99 -- if I needed the MQMs I would be all over it but it's the MQDs I really need (thanks to MQM rollover) so saving some of my incremental for a potential MQD partner run later in the year

I'm glad to see the RDU-NYC for $44 deal is back. I bought one for a LGA-RDU flight on a Thursday a few weeks back and I boarded with some DMs whose upgrade didn't clear. For $44, the extra MQM, snack basket and a couple of drinks and I've got my money back :D

jix Jun 4, 2019 7:16 pm

Randomly checked a trip in less than 2 months out and MSP-HND is ~$350 to business (from premium select), is it a no brainer to upgrade now or should I wait to see if it'll drop more?

Duke787 Jun 4, 2019 7:19 pm


Originally Posted by jix (Post 31171381)
Randomly checked a trip in less than 2 months out and MSP-HND is ~$350 to business (from premium select), is it a no brainer to upgrade now or should I wait to see if it'll drop more?

I certainly wouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth. How much more would is it likely to drop? And even if you missed out on saving $50, I can't imagine the possibility of saving $50 is worth the possibility of it either going up or going away all together.

$350 comes out to ~$30/hour


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