“Shena”: The Definitive “Shenanigans” Thread
#3272
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I’ve had it happen on a OW paid F flight where I selected my seat at the time of purchase. I’ve had it happen quite a few times, scanning my BP with the same seating information on it that the seat “change” ticket reflected.
I thought it was commonplace, so I never bothered to think anything of it.
I thought it was commonplace, so I never bothered to think anything of it.
#3273
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I’ve had it happen on a OW paid F flight where I selected my seat at the time of purchase. I’ve had it happen quite a few times, scanning my BP with the same seating information on it that the seat “change” ticket reflected.
I thought it was commonplace, so I never bothered to think anything of it.
I thought it was commonplace, so I never bothered to think anything of it.
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#3276
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Not sure if it is SHEENA but hadn’t seen this before.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
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Not sure if it is SHEENA but hadn’t seen this before.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
It looks bad to me, but did you notice whether there were elites on the upgrade list? The alternative is that 11A is a nonrev who lost a FC seat to a uniformed pilot who was either deadheading after duty or flying nonrev. The deadheading explanation is less likely IMO as deadheading employees are entitled to assigned seats, although someone could offer to take a jumpseat in order to permit more revenue or nonrevenue passengers to get onto the flight, so presumably this would have happened only if the flight had been full, which apparently it wasn't, so my guess is that the pilot was flying nonrev.
You could report this to DL and say that as an elite you're concerned since it certainly looked bad to you.
You could report this to DL and say that as an elite you're concerned since it certainly looked bad to you.
#3278
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It looks bad to me, but did you notice whether there were elites on the upgrade list? The alternative is that 11A is a nonrev who lost a FC seat to a uniformed pilot who was either deadheading after duty or flying nonrev. The deadheading explanation is less likely IMO as deadheading employees are entitled to assigned seats, although someone could offer to take a jumpseat in order to permit more revenue or nonrevenue passengers to get onto the flight, so presumably this would have happened only if the flight had been full, which apparently it wasn't, so my guess is that the pilot was flying nonrev.
You could report this to DL and say that as an elite you're concerned since it certainly looked bad to you.
You could report this to DL and say that as an elite you're concerned since it certainly looked bad to you.
Living in FL for 5 years (PBI, TPA/SRQ have been my home airports) and I have never been on a flight without a huge upgrade list to and from ATL (especially this time of year).
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Last I looked the upgrade list was in the 30's and the flght was either full or almost full. No one sat in the jumpseat that I could tell.
Living in FL for 5 years (PBI, TPA/SRQ have been my home airports) and I have never been on a flight without a huge upgrade list to and from ATL (especially this time of year).
Living in FL for 5 years (PBI, TPA/SRQ have been my home airports) and I have never been on a flight without a huge upgrade list to and from ATL (especially this time of year).
I'm calling the pilot's initial plan to sit in in the cockpit the jumpseat.
#3280
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As far as I know jumpseat(ing) and non-rev(ing) are 2 separate things...
A pilot can ask GA to ride in jumpseat - in which case GA will not put the pilot on stand by list to clear as non-rev.
Being a non-rev carries the risk of not being on the flight if its overbooked so sometimes pilots will proactively ask to ride in jumpseat
BUT in case the pilot instantly morphed into a non-rev as then he will be entitled to 'best available' seat per contract which in this case happens to be 3B.
I'd say the pilot had his cake and ate it too!
A pilot can ask GA to ride in jumpseat - in which case GA will not put the pilot on stand by list to clear as non-rev.
Being a non-rev carries the risk of not being on the flight if its overbooked so sometimes pilots will proactively ask to ride in jumpseat
BUT in case the pilot instantly morphed into a non-rev as then he will be entitled to 'best available' seat per contract which in this case happens to be 3B.
I'd say the pilot had his cake and ate it too!
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Not sure if it is SHEENA but hadn’t seen this before.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
Last night ATL-SRQ (DL 1878) I am in 2B and at the end of boarding there are 2 seats left in F. GA brings up one person from Y and I can hear her tell the FA she will be bringing up 11A also (think it was A but definitely row 11).
A DL captain in uniform exits the cockpit almost simultaneously to this and the GA tells him to take any open seat in the back. The captain asks what about this one (it is 3B behind me) and after a few second pause the GA says go ahead and take it. Door closes and 11A is obviously not brought up.
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As far as I know jumpseat(ing) and non-rev(ing) are 2 separate things...
A pilot can ask GA to ride in jumpseat - in which case GA will not put the pilot on stand by list to clear as non-rev.
Being a non-rev carries the risk of not being on the flight if its overbooked so sometimes pilots will proactively ask to ride in jumpseat
BUT in case the pilot instantly morphed into a non-rev as then he will be entitled to 'best available' seat per contract which in this case happens to be 3B.
I'd say the pilot had his cake and ate it too!
A pilot can ask GA to ride in jumpseat - in which case GA will not put the pilot on stand by list to clear as non-rev.
Being a non-rev carries the risk of not being on the flight if its overbooked so sometimes pilots will proactively ask to ride in jumpseat
BUT in case the pilot instantly morphed into a non-rev as then he will be entitled to 'best available' seat per contract which in this case happens to be 3B.
I'd say the pilot had his cake and ate it too!
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#3284
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Upgrade Shena(nigans)?
Folks,
Just curious if I witnessed some upgrade shenanigans today. I was #2 on the upgrade list for First on a Delta mainline flight, and since yesterday there were "0" seats available in the app, and "sold out" for purchase. At the gate, some guy and a girlfriend half his age pushed in front of everyone in the boarding line and the receipt printer on the boarding scanner printed a new seat assignment which was read out as "1A and 1B" for them. The person in front of me on the upgrade list did not get upgraded, nor did I.
Is there a way to jump the upgrade line? Is this a DL360? Or did someone in the DL call center / airport make an executive decision?
Anyone seen this before?
Thanks!
Just curious if I witnessed some upgrade shenanigans today. I was #2 on the upgrade list for First on a Delta mainline flight, and since yesterday there were "0" seats available in the app, and "sold out" for purchase. At the gate, some guy and a girlfriend half his age pushed in front of everyone in the boarding line and the receipt printer on the boarding scanner printed a new seat assignment which was read out as "1A and 1B" for them. The person in front of me on the upgrade list did not get upgraded, nor did I.
Is there a way to jump the upgrade line? Is this a DL360? Or did someone in the DL call center / airport make an executive decision?
Anyone seen this before?
Thanks!
#3285
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A seat assignment ticket being printed out doesn't always mean it was an upgrade. I couldn't tell you why, but I have been upgraded at the 5 days out before so my boarding pass shows 1A, but the printer prints out the same exact seat assignment after scanning my boarding pass.
Might be shena, but might not be. Hard to know unless we knew more about the people in 1A and 1B
Might be shena, but might not be. Hard to know unless we knew more about the people in 1A and 1B