5 Days Out - No Upgrade for Diamond ATL-JFK
Feb 17, 2011, 9:34 pm
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Feb 17, 2011, 10:13 pm
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Another one of these threads... Seriously, you're diamond...
am wondering what others' experiences are?
Feb 18, 2011, 7:31 am
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Feb 18, 2011, 3:17 pm
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There you go again... disputing what I did not say.
I agree with you, I would have been wrong if I had said it. But I didn't say it.
I made no assertions about how any of the 6 people already in FC on the 9:50 AM flight got there. Anyone reading my post with an open mind would recognize that.
My point was, with respect to the eight remaining seats, the OP is in competition with anyone who, after paying $389 for a last minute M fare, decides "What the hell, I'll pay $49 more for FC."
My point also was that DL is now holding back a disproportionate number of FC seats, when compared to its past trends, in order to sell those $49 UGs, and a larger number of those UGs would previously have been given out to elites at the windows.
In the original FC monetization thread, a number of folks said they would not object to DL more aggressively marketing FC fares, as long as they were not some sort of significantly discounted FC fare.
In this case, the coach fare is $400 AI, the P (buy-up) fare is $449, and the full F fare is $951. The P fare is discounted over 50% off of the full F fare.
So, yes, my theory remains that the P fare was created just so DL could price it just slightly above last minute higher coach fares, to suck in a few more dollars, and they are willing to disenchant as many elites as necessary to accomplish this.
And yes, they are a for-profit business, and they can run their business however they see fit, even if this means irritating some of their most frequent customers.
And yes, I will keep repeating this theory in order to stimulate dialog on this topic. It obviously worked in this case... or would have worked had you addressed what I actually said, rather than what it was convenient for you to allege that I said.
I agree with you, I would have been wrong if I had said it. But I didn't say it.
I made no assertions about how any of the 6 people already in FC on the 9:50 AM flight got there. Anyone reading my post with an open mind would recognize that.
My point was, with respect to the eight remaining seats, the OP is in competition with anyone who, after paying $389 for a last minute M fare, decides "What the hell, I'll pay $49 more for FC."
My point also was that DL is now holding back a disproportionate number of FC seats, when compared to its past trends, in order to sell those $49 UGs, and a larger number of those UGs would previously have been given out to elites at the windows.
In the original FC monetization thread, a number of folks said they would not object to DL more aggressively marketing FC fares, as long as they were not some sort of significantly discounted FC fare.
In this case, the coach fare is $400 AI, the P (buy-up) fare is $449, and the full F fare is $951. The P fare is discounted over 50% off of the full F fare.
So, yes, my theory remains that the P fare was created just so DL could price it just slightly above last minute higher coach fares, to suck in a few more dollars, and they are willing to disenchant as many elites as necessary to accomplish this.
And yes, they are a for-profit business, and they can run their business however they see fit, even if this means irritating some of their most frequent customers.
And yes, I will keep repeating this theory in order to stimulate dialog on this topic. It obviously worked in this case... or would have worked had you addressed what I actually said, rather than what it was convenient for you to allege that I said.
Once you have ACTUAL DATA ABOUT FARES AND SUCH ON A FLIGHT then you can feel free to dispute what I posted. Until then you can keep attacking the technicality that you didnt actually specifically state that this OP got screwed by DL.
And please keep the personal attacks (ref: open mind comment) out of here. This discussion has no place for personal attacks and I would like to keep it that way. I'm actually here to help people on this forum contrary to popular belief.
Feb 18, 2011, 3:52 pm
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Feb 18, 2011, 3:56 pm
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The will now only entitle you to back of aircraft seating with medallion preferred seating closest to the lavatory. This is the new bladder friendly policy.
Feb 18, 2011, 4:04 pm
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This changes everything.
Feb 18, 2011, 4:11 pm
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F cabin, full of around the neck DM-luggage tag wearing customers... All talking to each other on the GIGANTIC brick cell phones we discussed earlier this year.
Preferably on a route like ATL-SFO.
Feb 18, 2011, 4:16 pm
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No, no. That's the CURRENT ATL-SFO F class. SHENA F ATL-SFO would have a bunch of FO's drinking like fish while running around asking for their pre-departure nuts.
Feb 18, 2011, 5:42 pm
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You are correct. You didnt directly say it, but you cant think that your post didnt imply that the OP was getting screwed because of DL's monetization push.
Once you have ACTUAL DATA ABOUT FARES AND SUCH ON A FLIGHT then you can feel free to dispute what I posted. Until then you can keep attacking the technicality that you didnt actually specifically state that this OP got screwed by DL.
And please keep the personal attacks (ref: open mind comment) out of here. This discussion has no place for personal attacks and I would like to keep it that way. I'm actually here to help people on this forum contrary to popular belief.
Once you have ACTUAL DATA ABOUT FARES AND SUCH ON A FLIGHT then you can feel free to dispute what I posted. Until then you can keep attacking the technicality that you didnt actually specifically state that this OP got screwed by DL.
And please keep the personal attacks (ref: open mind comment) out of here. This discussion has no place for personal attacks and I would like to keep it that way. I'm actually here to help people on this forum contrary to popular belief.
My point remains, the people the OP are in competition with (in addition to anyone else currently on the UG list) are those folks who may be buying tickets between now and departure and who are being offered a deeply discounted FC fare in order to induce then to cough up another $49 for the P fare.
DL is holding back FC seats it would, in the past, have awarded at the windows in an attempt to sell more of those $49 UGs. Elites that would have been UG'd before likely will not be now.
Does DL have the right to do this? Yes. Does that make it right? No.
DL continues a disturbing pattern of inducing PAX to seek elite status under one set of policies then degrading the policies.
Feb 18, 2011, 5:45 pm
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Feb 18, 2011, 5:51 pm
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