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Old Jan 13, 2011, 2:44 pm
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Delta Floats proposal for huge Jet Order

Delta Air Lines Inc.,the world’s second-largest carrier, plans to order 100 to 200 narrow-body jets and seeks options for 200 more as it replaces older planes.

A request for proposals went to planemakers last month, and deliveries may begin as soon as 2013, Atlanta-based Delta told employees today on an internal website. Delta said the request went to “several” manufacturers it didn’t identify. Airbus SAS and Boeing Co. are the biggest commercial-jet makers
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 2:51 pm
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Anyone have any info on what DL gets for fuel usage (MPG) per passenger mile on A319 vs 737-700 and A320 vs 737-800?
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 2:59 pm
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Let the speculation begin!

Anyone think DL may add some A321s to their lineup to replace some of the 752s? Some 318s to replace the DC9s? Some 320s to replace the, well, 320s?

What about the Boeing side?
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:09 pm
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Originally Posted by zman
Anyone have any info on what DL gets for fuel usage (MPG) per passenger mile on A319 vs 737-700 and A320 vs 737-800?
There are many, many variables to this question. In general, the plane with a larger capacity between the two comparable aircraft will burn less fuel per passenger (in this case, the 737s).
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:10 pm
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Isn't a CRJ200 considered a "narrow-body jet"?

Can you get more narrow than that?
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:19 pm
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Originally Posted by GBadger
Let the speculation begin!

Anyone think DL may add some A321s to their lineup to replace some of the 752s? Some 318s to replace the DC9s? Some 320s to replace the, well, 320s?

What about the Boeing side?
318s simply won't happen. PMDL was a Boeing fleet, PMNW had quite a large fleet of Airbus (besides DC9s, 747s and 757s) so I am guessing that DL will lean toward Boeing since they already have a number of 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s, and 777s. DL has stated they want AVOD pretty much mainline fleetwide yet haven't installed it on 319s or 320s which I think may indicate that they are going to be replacing these airplanes with some new planes in that 2013 timeframe with AVOD. The 737s seem newer and I couldn't see them replacing them anytime soon, however some of the 320s are getting older
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:20 pm
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More importantly, will the 752 replacements have 13% FC?
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler
The 737s seem newer and I couldn't see them replacing them anytime soon, however some of the 320s are getting older
The article says that they are looking to replace DC9s, 752s and A320s. So you're thinking that DL will become all 737, all the time .
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:27 pm
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Originally Posted by GBadger
The article says that they are looking to replace DC9s, 752s and A320s. So you're thinking that DL will become all 737, all the time .
That's the first step towards Southwestifying
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by GYEWorldTraveler
318s simply won't happen. PMDL was a Boeing fleet, PMNW had quite a large fleet of Airbus (besides DC9s, 747s and 757s) so I am guessing that DL will lean toward Boeing since they already have a number of 737s, 747s, 757s, 767s, and 777s. DL has stated they want AVOD pretty much mainline fleetwide yet haven't installed it on 319s or 320s which I think may indicate that they are going to be replacing these airplanes with some new planes in that 2013 timeframe with AVOD. The 737s seem newer and I couldn't see them replacing them anytime soon, however some of the 320s are getting older
The A318 won't happen for the same reason the 737-600 won't happen - the economics on it flat out are poor. There is a reason why you don't see many orders of late for either model, and the only major recent-ish order was by British Airways, solely because the type is certified into London-City Airport.

Many of the Airbuses and 737s are of the same age as well...quite a few NW A319s/A320s got delivered between 1998-2003 (including all A319s); the vast majority of Delta's 737s (the original 71 of the 737-800s) were built during 1998-2002. Delta has 12 737s that were built between 2008-2010 (10 -700s, 2 -800s), but not a huge difference maker. Either way, both the 737s and the vast majority of the Airbus fleet has a good 10-15 years left of flying in them minimally; I'd say this order is more to look at replacing the DC-9-50 (built in the 1970s; now over 30 years old); MD-80 fleet (delivered 1987-1993, so 17-23 years old currently), as well as potentially filling in some of the gap that occurred when the DC-9-30/40s left in the 100 seat range (to fill the void between the 76-seat CRJ-900/EMB-175 and the 125-ish seat A319/DC-9-50/737-700).
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:34 pm
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The article says that they are looking to replace DC9s, 752s and A320s. So you're thinking that DL will become all 737, all the time .
As long as the IFE is like the 73W has I'm fine with it.....I really like that plane, the 738s not so much since the seats are terrible and no IFE. 73H is OK since it has IFE but again F seats on the 737s on DL leave something to be desired but with wifi and IFE it makes them more acceptable.

I fly MSP-ATL-GYE tomorrow and the ATL-GYE is on a 738 which just bites because even though it's an overnight flight, IFE should be a must on a 5.5 hour international flight. Quito gets the 73W and has IFE so why wouldn't Guayaquil. Again disappointed in Delta. Seat will be terrible (even though it's in Business...eh domestic first lol) so I can't sleep and no IFE or Internet. I guess I just have to look forward to getting into GYE at 5:30 and heading to my bed at the Hilton....
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 3:56 pm
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I'm sure the Brazilians and Canadians are in the mix for this too ... the Bombardier CSeries looks like it should be comfortable.
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So I guess the MD88s are here to stay for a while longer.....^ or , depending on your opinion.
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 4:17 pm
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Originally Posted by GBadger
Let the speculation begin!

Anyone think DL may add some A321s to their lineup to replace some of the 752s? Some 318s to replace the DC9s? Some 320s to replace the, well, 320s?

What about the Boeing side?
I think its would workout very well for DL and they'll will eventually to ordering newest A321NEO is more suitable. I think it will perfect time for replacement the entire 757-200 aircraft. A321-200NEO is more capabilities and more fuel efficient. If they will have enough more range to flying over transcons flight. Can A321 will possible to flying to Hawaii with the ETOPS overwater restrictions.
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Old Jan 13, 2011, 5:06 pm
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Reopen the MD-90 line? 727s from the desert?
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