Delta A330-200 in Business
Nov 16, 2010, 4:41 am
#17
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Well then you're basically sitting in the BE seat from the 763ER.
Obviously, the PMDL seat is a bit narrower and there's less privacy. It's clearly an old design and it eventually will disappear.
But I've always found it perfectly comfortable.
Nov 16, 2010, 7:14 am
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....note to self, never let a flyertalk member build a house.
Nov 16, 2010, 7:28 am
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You may disagree, but that doesn't mean it is "not debatable".
According to airline lingo, 180 degrees means the angle of the seat back when it is in full recline, not the relative position of the seat to the floor. Delta calls these seats 176 degree recline but are not 'flat bed' or 'lay flat', and I think its obvious that the seats are at more than a 4 degree angle from the floor.
http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...te/seating.jsp
According to airline lingo, 180 degrees means the angle of the seat back when it is in full recline, not the relative position of the seat to the floor. Delta calls these seats 176 degree recline but are not 'flat bed' or 'lay flat', and I think its obvious that the seats are at more than a 4 degree angle from the floor.
http://www.delta.com/traveling_check...te/seating.jsp
Nov 16, 2010, 7:29 am
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Hey, if you can't be right, at least be confident.
Nov 16, 2010, 7:35 am
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Well for what its worth the "perceived angle when in a 777 lie flat is actually uncomfortable because your head is below your toes (pitch attitude of the AC).I usually put part of my duvet at on the seat back to boost my head above my feet. Would not build a house like that but the perceived angle is worth more than the actual angle for something like this.
Nov 16, 2010, 7:38 am
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Most people seem to be able to find a way to sleep well enough in the fully reclined (nearly flat) WBC seats. If for whatever reason you can't, at least you do have other ways to configure the seat for your own optimum seating.
The 90s era BE recliners, OTOH, have no such choice. My living room recliner reclines further than the old DL BE recliners.
But have no fear, they'll eventually disappear! (In the meantime, I book away from the BE recliners every chance I can get.)
Nov 16, 2010, 7:41 am
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And this is my favorite defense of the old 90s era BE cradle seats. "Yes, given this, this and this, but it's still perfectly comfortable!"
Most people seem to be able to find a way to sleep well enough in the fully reclined (nearly flat) WBC seats. If for whatever reason you can't, at least you do have other ways to configure the seat for your own optimum seating.
The 90s era BE recliners, OTOH, have no such choice. My living room recliner reclines further than the old DL BE recliners.
But have no fear, they'll eventually disappear! (In the meantime, I book away from the BE recliners every chance I can get.)
Most people seem to be able to find a way to sleep well enough in the fully reclined (nearly flat) WBC seats. If for whatever reason you can't, at least you do have other ways to configure the seat for your own optimum seating.
The 90s era BE recliners, OTOH, have no such choice. My living room recliner reclines further than the old DL BE recliners.
But have no fear, they'll eventually disappear! (In the meantime, I book away from the BE recliners every chance I can get.)
Nov 16, 2010, 7:50 am
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It's obvious I would be wasting my time explaining simple geometry, but I would love to hear your theory on using parallel lines as geometric reference points.
The pitch of the seat is 176 degrees. This is what everyone but you and very few others understand.
Nov 16, 2010, 8:17 am
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But by all means, keep debating your 'non-debatable' point...
Nov 16, 2010, 10:18 am
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_| = 90 degrees
_/ = 120 degrees
__ = 180 degrees
Seems pretty straightforward to me.
Here's what I don't understand: How can you possibly measure pitch in degrees? Pitch (when referring to aircraft seating) is essentially the amount of space between seat backs, and is most commonly measured in inches or centimeters.
Nov 16, 2010, 10:21 am
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Nov 16, 2010, 10:38 am
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I find the J on the A330 to be GREAT. As so many have said, the seat is much better. I find it more comfortable for both eating and sleeping. If you're "lounging", the Z position is nice.
As to AVOD, I like the screen more and in my experience is more reliable.
The J cabin I find to be quieter on the A330 compared to the 767.
One down side during the meal, the crew have much less space to move things around (much less counter room) when plating food.
I do have a REAL issue that post merger they use a tray for appetizers. I think they are tacky.
Dave