FC sense of entitlement
Nov 2, 2010, 6:26 am
#61
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Nov 2, 2010, 6:38 am
#62
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Hm. You must be an engineer. I believe the person to whom this quote is attributed meant that engineers know how everything is supposed to work, but understands how very few things actually work... Being a real scientist and not an engineer, that's one of my favorite quotes 
That being said, I completely disagree with his bad behavior onboard.
That being said, I completely disagree with his bad behavior onboard.Scientists believe they know how things are supposed to work.. because of what happened in a 200 ml flask.
Engineers make it truly work as a hundred million dollar per year commercial reality.
(I thought I'd replace the NW vs DL feuding with a little scientist vs engineer feuding.
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Nov 2, 2010, 6:47 am
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The difference between scientists and engineers...
Scientists believe they know how things are supposed to work.. because of what happened in a 200 ml flask.
Engineers make it truly work as a hundred million dollar per year commercial reality.
(I thought I'd replace the NW vs DL feuding with a little scientist vs engineer feuding.)
Scientists believe they know how things are supposed to work.. because of what happened in a 200 ml flask.
Engineers make it truly work as a hundred million dollar per year commercial reality.
(I thought I'd replace the NW vs DL feuding with a little scientist vs engineer feuding.
)the world needs both
while science and technology, for their own sake, are great, they generally have to be "product-ized" or "system-ized" for an individual or a corporate/organizational entity to get some value from them
Nov 2, 2010, 7:00 am
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Secondly, I have had passengers either text or take pictures with their phones in the air and have heard the "cell phone noise" that is audible if one uses an older cell phone near a speaker or other amplifying object; it was quite loud coming across the VHF radios. While this didn't exactly impact the immediate safety of the operation the intensity did cause me to miss a couple of radio calls before they were able finally get the phone off; oh well I suppose the center controller thought I fell asleep 
Nov 2, 2010, 7:50 am
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The difference between scientists and engineers...
Scientists believe they know how things are supposed to work.. because of what happened in a 200 ml flask.
Engineers make it truly work as a hundred million dollar per year commercial reality.
(I thought I'd replace the NW vs DL feuding with a little scientist vs engineer feuding.)
Scientists believe they know how things are supposed to work.. because of what happened in a 200 ml flask.
Engineers make it truly work as a hundred million dollar per year commercial reality.
(I thought I'd replace the NW vs DL feuding with a little scientist vs engineer feuding.
)
Nov 2, 2010, 8:01 am
#66
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I'm not arguing your right to use the SP lane when the boarding process has already begun. I'm talking about the very start of the boarding process before anyone passengers have entered the plane.
Are you still going to tell me that pushing to the front of the gate lice swarm is appropriate?
Nov 2, 2010, 8:18 am
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Nov 2, 2010, 8:41 am
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I challenge anyone to find on mass casualty NTSB report that lists Cell Phones, Seat Back position, Tray table position, and/or laptops in seat pockets as a survival factor. Surely if its such an important issue, it would have been a factor in at-least one of the hundreds of mass casualty crashes.
Nov 2, 2010, 8:51 am
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This, and the fact that lithium ion batteries have been found to cause crashes (such as the UPS crash in Dubai not too long ago). Placing a laptop with a big hot battery in a pocket full of loose pieces of paper isn't the best idea. Is it likely to cause a fire? Probably not, but it is certainly possible.
Nov 2, 2010, 8:54 am
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So is your DM status "more DM" than mine is? When there are a dozen FC passengers waiting for the shotgun start to rush the SP lane, it's OK for you to do an end-run around all of them and stand on the edge of the carpet?
I'm not arguing your right to use the SP lane when the boarding process has already begun. I'm talking about the very start of the boarding process before anyone passengers have entered the plane.
Are you still going to tell me that pushing to the front of the gate lice swarm is appropriate?
I'm not arguing your right to use the SP lane when the boarding process has already begun. I'm talking about the very start of the boarding process before anyone passengers have entered the plane.
Are you still going to tell me that pushing to the front of the gate lice swarm is appropriate?
Nov 2, 2010, 9:05 am
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What do you expect of someone who has no taste in booze or dress?
Cool. From now on we will pummel anyone who isn't breaking rules that we ourselves aren't also breaking.
I resemble that carpet.
I resemble that carpet.
Nov 2, 2010, 9:12 am
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Nov 2, 2010, 9:26 am
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Now you have done it! Prompted another round of responses from the self-absorbed "that rule doesn't apply to me because I am smarter than the person who made up the rule, and it's not a safety issue anyway" crowd.
On my last trip, after the "turn off anything with a switch" message had been repeated several times, and after watching the fellow in the window seat pull his Blackberry out of his pocket and fiddle with it several times during the taxi out:
Me: "I guess the no electronics rule doesn't apply to you."
Mr. Self-absorbed: <condescending snort, then holds B'berry up so I can see it as he turns it off> "Is that OK now?"
Me: "Yes... it shows that you can follow instructions."
Mr. Self-absorbed: "Did I do something to you?"
Me: "Yes. You jeopardized my safety for your own self-convenience."
Mr. Self-absorbed: no response... maybe he was brighter than he first appeared to be.
OK... you excessively entitled folks can flame away now...
On my last trip, after the "turn off anything with a switch" message had been repeated several times, and after watching the fellow in the window seat pull his Blackberry out of his pocket and fiddle with it several times during the taxi out:
Me: "I guess the no electronics rule doesn't apply to you."
Mr. Self-absorbed: <condescending snort, then holds B'berry up so I can see it as he turns it off> "Is that OK now?"
Me: "Yes... it shows that you can follow instructions."
Mr. Self-absorbed: "Did I do something to you?"
Me: "Yes. You jeopardized my safety for your own self-convenience."
Mr. Self-absorbed: no response... maybe he was brighter than he first appeared to be.
OK... you excessively entitled folks can flame away now...
Sounds like you were on a 757. FYI it does not have fly by wire. So any interference coming from the BB has NO INTERFERENCE with the aircraft systems. This was made for those stupid Scarebus products that use to take themselves over and fly into the ground.
Nov 2, 2010, 9:50 am
#74
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First of all, my scenario yesterday occurred after general boarding began, using the SP line at this point I believe is perfectly acceptable and one of the purposes of the line in the first place.
Second, I do not, and would not, ever support DM/PM/whoever pushing through an already established queue regardless of when it is. But, I think this is more a comment on human decency than air passenger etiquette.
Third, DM? Only in my dreams.
