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DLFan2 Aug 25, 2010 1:02 pm


Originally Posted by goaliemn (Post 14545406)
Keep in mind a cpap may not deliver the same pressure in the air as on the ground.. most are calibrated for the approx altitude around where you live, while an aircraft internal pressure is much higher. Then, of course, there's the noise/power/space constraints.. Some are pretty loud, plus where will it sit while you sleep? Possibly the floor, but there's a risk of stuff being sucked in through the vents..

I flew that flight in may in business. There was plenty of room for it to sit by your head with the seat in the bed position, and the outlet is right there.

I think you mean "lower".

WikipediaIsDumb Aug 25, 2010 1:15 pm

Just change your body clock to avoid CPAP!
 

Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14540287)
Why in the world would the refuse someone the right to use important medical equipment in-flight, especially for a 15 hr flight?

This is why some people are very demanding. They should be able to refuse if the airline cannot reasonably accommodate the passenger.

The solution to CPAP is for the passenger to make accommodations. CPAP is not needed when the passenger is awake. So the passenger should accept that they are sick and re-adjust their body clock for a few days, say 3 days. Take off work and sit at home and catch up on home repairs. Or travel to Los Angeles and wait there 3 days. Then sleep in the motel before the flight. Wake up with just enough time to check in. Then stay awake for 15 hours during the flight. That could mean that you are awake for 19 hours. On arrival to Australia, check into a hotel and use the CPAP and go to sleep.

Snidely Whiplash Aug 25, 2010 1:31 pm

Other considerations: People with obstructive apnea requiring CPAP are often quite obese. Add to this a noisy machine which requires additional space, a coach seat, and a 15 hour flight, and you have a recipe guaranteed to give the person sitting next to you the most miserable experience of his life.

I hope in your planning for this trip, you are taking all of this into consideration. If the shoe fits, I'd urge you to purchase two coach seats or a seat in J.

This is not intended to be a snide post, but one which encourages you think beyond just your own needs and to be considerate of others.

Italy98 Aug 25, 2010 1:36 pm


Originally Posted by Snidely Whiplash (Post 14545784)
Other considerations: People with obstructive apnea requiring CPAP are often quite obese. Add to this a noisy machine which requires additional space, a coach seat, and a 15 hour flight, and you have a recipe guaranteed to give the person sitting next to you the most miserable experience of his life.

I hope in your planning for this trip, you are taking all of this into consideration. If the shoe fits, I'd urge you to purchase two coach seats or a seat in J.

This is not intended to be a snide post, but one which encourages you think beyond just your own needs and to be considerate of others.

I have a CPAP and I am not quite obese, obese or anywhere near obese. You have not seen the the machines in circulation for the last +/- five years. You can not hear them unless they are by your ear.


Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14540072)
Good to know. I just bought a battery unit so I should be good to go.

(I did not plan to run the humidifier by the way, just the air moving portion of this gadget)

As dry as the air inside the aircraft will be I would recommend using the humidifier unit.


Originally Posted by WikipediaIsDumb (Post 14545665)
This is why some people are very demanding. They should be able to refuse if the airline cannot reasonably accommodate the passenger.

The solution to CPAP is for the passenger to make accommodations. CPAP is not needed when the passenger is awake. So the passenger should accept that they are sick and re-adjust their body clock for a few days, say 3 days. Take off work and sit at home and catch up on home repairs. Or travel to Los Angeles and wait there 3 days. Then sleep in the motel before the flight. Wake up with just enough time to check in. Then stay awake for 15 hours during the flight. That could mean that you are awake for 19 hours. On arrival to Australia, check into a hotel and use the CPAP and go to sleep.

Crazy, no, ridiculous suggestion! Do you use a CPAP and is this what you do? I know my MD would not be happy if I elected NOT to use the CPAP for three days just because I was taking a long TATL/TPAC trip. My Dr. would probably state that it is more important to use the CPAP before the flight, and during the flight because of the difference in air pressure.

wbl-mn-flyer Aug 25, 2010 1:45 pm

Nice attitude, guys


Originally Posted by WikipediaIsDumb (Post 14545665)
This is why some people are very demanding. They should be able to refuse if the airline cannot reasonably accommodate the passenger.

The solution to CPAP is for the passenger to make accommodations. CPAP is not needed when the passenger is awake. So the passenger should accept that they are sick and re-adjust their body clock for a few days, say 3 days. Take off work and sit at home and catch up on home repairs. Or travel to Los Angeles and wait there 3 days. Then sleep in the motel before the flight. Wake up with just enough time to check in. Then stay awake for 15 hours during the flight. That could mean that you are awake for 19 hours. On arrival to Australia, check into a hotel and use the CPAP and go to sleep.





Originally Posted by Snidely Whiplash (Post 14545784)
Other considerations: People with obstructive apnea requiring CPAP are often quite obese. Add to this a noisy machine which requires additional space, a coach seat, and a 15 hour flight, and you have a recipe guaranteed to give the person sitting next to you the most miserable experience of his life.

I hope in your planning for this trip, you are taking all of this into consideration. If the shoe fits, I'd urge you to purchase two coach seats or a seat in J.

This is not intended to be a snide post, but one which encourages you think beyond just your own needs and to be considerate of others.

I can't speak for all owners, but the CPAP I use is not very likely to be heard above the ambient noise on the airplane - and is much more quiet than if I were to be sleeping (and snoring) without use of the device.

As far as size goes, the system I use is also quite small. smaller than a shoebox for sure. Easily fit under the seat in front of my own. No need to purchase a 2nd seat. Though I'd be glad if you want to help with my J upgrade, that was a nice idea.

Italy98 Aug 25, 2010 2:10 pm

Wonder if WikipediaIsDumb and Snidely Whiplash are related?

ehe123 Aug 25, 2010 2:28 pm

I have used CPAP on a number of flights with several different carriers (Delta, Singapore Airlines, Virgin Atlantic, etc.) and never had any problem. There are several bits of misinformation that have been posted. First, my CPAP draws less current than my notebook, so the power has never been an issue. Second, the noise generated by my CPAP is almost inaudible given the ambient noise. In agreement with a previous comment, the noise made by my CPAP is negligible compared to the noise of people snoring (present on almost any long-haul flight). Third (also in agreement with some other comments), this is an essential medical device. Fourth, I am not obese, and was first diagnosed with OSA when I was running 5 miles a day. I could go on, but felt compelled to offer my own opinions...

pmaddock Aug 25, 2010 9:01 pm

To the OP - you might want to ask your MD about a product called Provent. Its a one time use thing you stick on each nostril that supposedly alleviates Sleep Apnea. They are impractical to use regularly but may be effective as a temporary measure. They are by RX so actual use should be under the guidance of an MD.

wbl-mn-flyer Aug 25, 2010 9:34 pm

Thanks one and all for the tips and advice - on the above travel, medical, and lifestyle subjects. Well, not so much the medical and lifestyle ones. But good to hear from fellow CPAP users about their luck using CPAP on board.

The CPAP works very well for me right now so I will stick with that.

Regarding the main topic - my trip parameters just changed, and now I'm taking Qantas/AA instead of Delta.

By the way, Qantas has an EXCELLENT policy on CPAP and my brand/model is on their approved list. See the following, in case it is of help to any other CPAP flyers.

http://www.qantas.com.au/travel/airl...ance/global/en

Delta could learn a thing or two from these guys.

bacrs Aug 28, 2010 7:17 pm


Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14540287)
by "International Contract of Carriage" do you mean Delta's document

http://images.delta.com.edgesuite.ne...riage_intl.pdf

???

Why in the world would the refuse someone the right to use important medical equipment in-flight, especially for a 15 hr flight?

In my CPAP's bag I have some docs printed out including a note from my Doctor and something from the ResMed web site, as well as the TSA doc that talks about CPAP.

Yes, I do mean the referenced document. I can't answer why someone would refuse the use of an important piece of medical equipment. My guess is that DL personnel aren't familiar with CPAP's and, thus, automaticaly say they can't be used. I have also found most airline and TSA folks don't care about doctor's notes as they can be forged (their words, not mine). However, you should not need any paperwork to use a CPAP on a plane other than what was described in your first post. YMMV.

As far as the pressure issue, if your CPAP automatically adjusts the pressure (aka an APAP), your CPAP will befine. If your CPAP has a fixed pressure, there is usually a setting to change your altitude. If it were me, I would set it to 5000 feet.

I've reached the point where I don't use the CPAP in the air and resign myself to a poor nights sleep (even in business).

Bacrs (fellow sleep apnea sufferer)

wbl-mn-flyer Aug 29, 2010 6:20 pm

Greetings from down under.

I had mine sitting on the floor with the battery pack.

It worked pretty well on my Qantas flight LAX-MEL, aside from being in a small coach seat.

My system is very quiet and seemed to adjust to any preasure difference without need to adjust settings.

First time ever using a CPAP without an AC outlet. Very nice experience and the battery lasted longer than I needed it to.

bkmn Aug 29, 2010 6:34 pm

Have a great time down under...I'm jealous! Glad you had a safe trip.

Yaatri Oct 9, 2011 4:28 am


Originally Posted by bacrs (Post 14540176)
I've used a CPAP for many years and I have never seen one with a label saying it is FAA compliant. I've also asked flight attendants over the years and have consistantly been told they are not allowed. I recommend taking the applicable part of the International Contract of Carriage with you.

Please post how it goes with your flight and the CPAP. I would love to be able to use mine on intercontinental flights.

Bacrs


Originally Posted by wbl-mn-flyer (Post 14541065)
do ANY CPAP machines have such a label?

"unless the device fails to meet applicable FAA requirements for Medical Portable Electronic Devices (M-PED) and does not display a manufacturer’s label that indicates the device meets those FAA requirements"

Yes. I have a Resmed S9 series VPAP Auto that has the label that it complies with FAA requirements.

Deadtail Feb 8, 2012 11:37 am

This thread has sparked my curiosity.

I've heard the CPAP described here as an essential and important medical device. I thought they were only used when sleeping? I don't mean to diminish their value or slight CPAP users, but are they essential for an airplane ride? I've never seen or heard one so I'm really just wondering what the issue is here.

plagwate Feb 8, 2012 12:10 pm


Originally Posted by Deadtail (Post 17976730)
This thread has sparked my curiosity.

I've heard the CPAP described here as an essential and important medical device. I thought they were only used when sleeping? I don't mean to diminish their value or slight CPAP users, but are they essential for an airplane ride? I've never seen or heard one so I'm really just wondering what the issue is here.

If one is flying 15 hours on a TPAC flight, there's a good chance they'll be trying to get some sleep. In this case, Flight 17 departs LAX at 10:45 p.m.


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