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NWA012 Jul 7, 2010 9:36 pm


Originally Posted by socrates (Post 14256568)
I understand what your saying but there is just so much wrong with this statement......I hope a customer service trainer at DL actually sees this suggestion and points out to their team just how sad it is (wait...maybe the bean counters will see it and be happy...ugh!)

Do trainers exist at Delta? Speaking for my station, there are no trainers like what Northwest had and new hires are not allowed to go to training. Each station trains the new hires which in my opinion creates more inconsistent service to our customers.

opushomes Jul 7, 2010 11:33 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 14261831)
My favorites:

1. "There's no available lounge, even for BE, in..." SIN (since fixed on the SkyClubs website, but agents thought it disappeared in the merger)

Actually this is almost true. The situation in Singapore is one of the strangest that I have encountered both pre-merger and now post. The contract lounge is only available during the hours that check-in is open and then (not verified) only with an invitation. The problem is that results in an approximately three hour window when one can use the lounge. Thus, if someone arrives from, let's say, KUL or CMB around midnight, one cannot check in for the flight on DL nor use the lounge because there is no transfer desk available with agents who can issue a boarding pass and provide the invitation. This is an anomaly that is SIN specific but also Sky Team specific. Same problem exists with KE, transfer desk for them opens at 4 p.m. for the first flight to ICN at 2245. If one wants to go to the city, one cannot get to the lounge because one needs a boarding pass to clear immigration and check-in opens approximately three hours before departure.

2. "I'm a Diamond agent" but when questioned, the person is located in CVG, not SLC. When DM started, I was reaching non-Diamond agents about 75% of the time and the ones in CVG were BAD and RUDE. I quickly learned to ask and be prepared to hang up and redial.

I agree whole heartedly. It seems to be getting worse.

3. "You need to get to the airport two hours early" for domestic FC where there are separate elite check in and security lines and "you need to check in three hours before the flight" when traveling BE from a nonwierd location (not TLV or even LHR) with dedicated lines or even on a domestic FC flight as above connecting to BE.

Like the "BE" 737 flight PDX-JFK.


RealHJ Jul 7, 2010 11:39 pm


Originally Posted by NWA012 (Post 14261962)
Do trainers exist at Delta? Speaking for my station, there are no trainers like what Northwest had and new hires are not allowed to go to training. Each station trains the new hires which in my opinion creates more inconsistent service to our customers.

This approach may work and be the most cost:results balance efficient in a small company, but never in a big one like Dullta.

If Dullta really has no training for new staff, then that:
a) explains a lot of the significant inconsistency and the different response from every agent on the same issue that customers often face, and
b) is a yet another proof that it aspires to be a small regional airline (amongst other ways how it makes it crystal clear, like only publishing the US48/CA award chart and not the 11 others, it's SE US centric approach to nearly everything it does, it's total disregard for its non-US customers, etc.)

flymonthly Jul 8, 2010 1:02 am


Originally Posted by opushomes (Post 14262425)
when traveling BE from a nonwierd location (not TLV or even LHR) with dedicated lines or even on a domestic FC flight as above connecting to BE.

Like the "BE" 737 flight PDX-JFK.

Like the bumper stickers say, "Keep Portland Weird":D

mnredfox Jul 8, 2010 9:42 am

I too have gotten the "This is blah blah blah from the Diamond Desk" twice this past week. Not that it matters, but how is it that a PM can reach the DM Desk?

Jumpgate Jul 8, 2010 11:14 am

KE is not a full Skyteam partner.

When redeeming Skymiles, you cannot mix KE and DL.

(both told to me by platinum agents during a recent Asia award booking saga)

socrates Jul 8, 2010 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by NWA012 (Post 14261962)
Do trainers exist at Delta? Speaking for my station, there are no trainers like what Northwest had and new hires are not allowed to go to training. Each station trains the new hires which in my opinion creates more inconsistent service to our customers.

Alas..a bean counters method to providing great customer service...hire someone and provide them with a 10" binder of SOP's and some web based training....

You're absolutely correct, having the stations do the training is a huge part of the problem...One SE airport comes to mind where the Red Coats don't know the rules/benefits for elites...having them train others is just perpetuating the problem

browell Jul 8, 2010 2:06 pm


Originally Posted by Marylou (Post 14242108)
Both of mine are on SDC issues, different trips, different agents....

At MSP Ticket Counter, June 4, 2010 "We have NEVER offered SDC...." :(

Crazy4Birds Jul 8, 2010 3:49 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 14261831)
My favorites:



2. "I'm a Diamond agent" but when questioned, the person is located in CVG, not SLC. When DM started, I was reaching non-Diamond agents about 75% of the time and the ones in CVG were BAD and RUDE. I quickly learned to ask and be prepared to hang up and redial.

Thanks for the tip---maybe that explains why I get an occasional good agent and then a few very poorly trained ones on the DM line. One thing is for sure, the AA EXP agents are both much better trained and much more empowered to take care of problems quickly and efficiently. No comparasion. I had high hopes for the DM line, and initially had a couple of good experiences, but then....

iamhereandthere Jul 9, 2010 8:31 am


Originally Posted by browell (Post 14266261)
At MSP Ticket Counter, June 4, 2010 "We have NEVER offered SDC...." :(

That is both sad and funny. :) NEVER.....right.

Thankfully the two times I did SDC I had no problems whatsoever and people who were more than helpful and knowledgeable.

zsmith2 Jul 9, 2010 9:09 am


Originally Posted by NWA012 (Post 14261962)
Do trainers exist at Delta? Speaking for my station, there are no trainers like what Northwest had and new hires are not allowed to go to training. Each station trains the new hires which in my opinion creates more inconsistent service to our customers.

Yes trainers exist at every Delta station. I'm sure some do a better job then others and have a better presence then some. Training classes in ATG and other cities are available but depends on the station on who gets sent. I believe everything was cut back a couple years back when things went south. I know when I worked with ASA we had to develop a new structure for training as Delta wanted only 2 weeks worth of training vs. 6 weeks. All DCI carriers and ground handlers had to comply with the new structure. I was lucky enough to actually go through the orignal training, but by the time I went I already knew 99% of the training that was went over.
As far as inconsistency, I think there would be very minimal difference if people went to official training vs local training. There are simply to many changes and policies to keep track of and different interputations. Any large organization you are going to have this inconsistency but can be minimized by actually employing employees that actually care.

motytrah Jul 9, 2010 9:50 am


Originally Posted by zsmith2 (Post 14270662)
Yes trainers exist at every Delta station. I'm sure some do a better job then others and have a better presence then some. Training classes in ATG and other cities are available but depends on the station on who gets sent. I believe everything was cut back a couple years back when things went south. ... Any large organization you are going to have this inconsistency but can be minimized by actually employing employees that actually care.

Out of curiosity, how often does a station get training? Back when I used to work customer facing jobs it seems like no matter where I worked there was a pre-open staff meeting weekly to go over policy changes and promotions. How often do front line employees get training? DL seems big enough with enough promotions and policy changes that they could do weekly meetings.

zsmith2 Jul 9, 2010 11:10 am


Originally Posted by motytrah (Post 14270920)
Out of curiosity, how often does a station get training? Back when I used to work customer facing jobs it seems like no matter where I worked there was a pre-open staff meeting weekly to go over policy changes and promotions. How often do front line employees get training? DL seems big enough with enough promotions and policy changes that they could do weekly meetings.

Depends on what type of training you are talking about. All employees take a yearly recurrent which is bascially to satisfy the FAA and DOT requirements....it's computer based and very boring. Depending on if you're a GSC, CRO, LTA, or have other qualifications that may require a yearly recurrent as well.
As far as policy changes or such, mostly are posted on the intranet and thats where I get my inofrmation. A lot of employee don't even visit the intranet and wait to be spoon fed the information. There are breifings during every shift, where I am from, to give different information but not sure that would work out in a hub.

Winkdaddy Jul 9, 2010 11:14 am


Originally Posted by Jumpgate (Post 14265097)
KE is not a full Skyteam partner.

When redeeming Skymiles, you cannot mix KE and DL.

(both told to me by platinum agents during a recent Asia award booking saga)

LOL, yeah the above is definitely not true! I have booked an award ticket using a mix of DL/KE metal...

motytrah Jul 9, 2010 12:46 pm


Originally Posted by Jumpgate (Post 14265097)
KE is not a full Skyteam partner.

When redeeming Skymiles, you cannot mix KE and DL.

(both told to me by platinum agents during a recent Asia award booking saga)

Agents are on crack. KE is a fully partner and we used to be able to book revenue and award segments online on NW.com. Heck, pre-merger I used to be able to book JL award segments intra-Japan.


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