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craig44485 Feb 2, 2012 7:31 pm

KE BE award using SM
 

Originally Posted by jascmil (Post 17941841)
I saw the same thing on Expert Flyer. KVS also has it listed, effective March 1. Hope that the availability is applicable for SkyMiles redemption! Any insight form folks in the forum would be appreciated.

FWIW, I had absolutely no issue booking to BE seats rt on KE using SM, JFK>ICN>MNL, for 120K SM each. Very simple, got the dates and time I wanted March 11 > March 26

KVS Feb 2, 2012 7:54 pm


Originally Posted by jascmil (Post 17941841)
KVS also has it listed, effective March 1. Hope that the availability is applicable for SkyMiles redemption! Any insight form folks in the forum would be appreciated.

Based on our inquires, including the information we have recently received from Korean Airlines headquarters, the new KE Standard Award Booking Class for the Business Cabin (O) should be applicable to SkyTeam partner award redemptions.

As you have already noticed, the KVS Tool User Guide has been updated accordingly:
This new Booking Class applies to KE flights that depart on or after 01 Mar 2012 and is already accessible via the KVS Tool:

[KVS Availability Tool 6.9.4/Diamond - Sabre: Availability/FS/US]
Code:

ICN  Seoul Incheon Intl KR [RKSI]
LAX  Los Angeles Intl CA US [KLAX]
SAT  17 Mar 2012

Carrier    Flight  From  Depart    To    Arrive    A/C  St  Availability
---------  ------  ----  --------  ----  --------  ---  --  -----------------------------------------------------
KE        1      ICN  11:10    LAX  09:00    332      P5 A2 C9 D9 I9 Z7 O2 Y9 W9 B9 M9 H9 E9 K9 Q2 T2 G0 X6
KE        17      ICN  14:40    LAX  09:50    388      R7 A3 J9 D9 I9 Z5 O1 Y9 W9 B9 M9 H9 E9 K9 Q9 T9 G0 X8
KE        11      ICN  19:50    LAX  14:40    744      P9 A3 C9 D9 I9 Z4 O2 Y9 W9 B9 M9 H9 E9 K9 Q9 T9 G0 X9


ExpertFlyer Voice Feb 2, 2012 8:25 pm


Originally Posted by xracer (Post 17941812)
I noticed that Expert Flyer now shows business class awards (not just upgrades) for KE as of 1.Mar.2012. I wonder if this indicates awards that we can redeem with SkyMiles or if this indicates awards that they release to their own program only...

Thank you for noticing. Yes the award inventory should be available to partners as well.

Results from ExpertFlyer.com
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Awards & Upgrades Search
Departing ICN on 03/10/12 12:00 AM for LAX
Flying KE on booking class A O Z     


                                                                    Frequency                                                   
Flight        Stops  Depart            Arrive            Aircraft  Reliability    Class Description                      Code  Seats
0 Connections
KE 1          1      ICN                LAX                332      Unavailable    First - Award                          A    2
                    03/10/12 11:10 AM  03/10/12 8:00 AM            NA / NA        Business - Award (From 3/1/12)        O    2
                                                                                    Business - Upgrade (From 3/1/12)      Z    6

0 Connections
KE 17        0      ICN                LAX                388      Unavailable    First - Award                          A    4
                    03/10/12 2:40 PM  03/10/12 8:50 AM            76% / 14m      Business - Award (From 3/1/12)        O    0
                                                                                    Business - Upgrade (From 3/1/12)      Z    6

0 Connections
KE 11        0      ICN                LAX                744      Unavailable    First - Award                          A    3
                    03/10/12 7:50 PM  03/10/12 1:40 PM            61% / 17m      Business - Award (From 3/1/12)        O    1
                                                                                    Business - Upgrade (From 3/1/12)      Z    4



Originally Posted by 3Cforme (Post 17941916)
That should drive some people to pay for ExpertFlyer.

With unique features such as award/upgrade inventory alerting via Flight Alerts we certainly hope so. All new users are also welcome to try our 5-day free trial.

skchin Feb 2, 2012 9:10 pm

Great post bobbybrown.

reed2x Feb 2, 2012 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by jascmil (Post 17941841)
I saw the same thing on Expert Flyer. KVS also has it listed, effective March 1. Hope that the availability is applicable for SkyMiles redemption! Any insight form folks in the forum would be appreciated.

This is great news...unless of course it creates more competition for award seat.

I called delta yesterday about ke availability and checked 10 or 12 flights. Granted availability can change in 24, but expertflyer is 100% accurate for the flights the agent said were and were not available.

mnredfox Feb 3, 2012 12:37 am


Originally Posted by xracer (Post 17941812)
I noticed that Expert Flyer now shows business class awards (not just upgrades) for KE as of 1.Mar.2012. I wonder if this indicates awards that we can redeem with SkyMiles or if this indicates awards that they release to their own program only...

^

MegatopLover Feb 3, 2012 5:42 am

I too am glad to see that ExpertFlyer has KE Business Award inventory from 3/1/12 onward. Significant new feature. ^

fiveninerzero Feb 3, 2012 6:03 am


Originally Posted by reed2x (Post 17942604)
I called delta yesterday about ke availability and checked 10 or 12 flights. expertflyer is 100% accurate for the flights the agent said were and were not available.

Thanks for doing this. I will now extend my EF membership in order to utilize this option.

trk1987 Feb 3, 2012 7:47 am

I booked an award KE/DL ticket IAD-->ICN (direct on KE) and ICN-->DCA (DL one stop) for 70K for an economy seat. I wanted to book KE back but it was during their immense blackout period. Did I get ripped off?!

mtkeller Feb 3, 2012 7:59 am


Originally Posted by trk1987 (Post 17944516)
I booked an award KE/DL ticket IAD-->ICN (direct on KE) and ICN-->DCA (DL one stop) for 70K for an economy seat. I wanted to book KE back but it was during their immense blackout period. Did I get ripped off?!

70K is the going rate for US-North Asia round trip in Y, so I'm not sure how you'd think you were ripped off.

JustinMSP Feb 4, 2012 12:15 pm

Sadly for me, EF is not accurate at all. I asked for about 6 flights that were shown to have O (Prestige Class) on KE (LAX-ICN-SGN, BKK-ICN, ICN-SFO) for mid-March to early April. DL SM said none of them is available. My guess is that DL limits KE awards to its own members. :(

tentseller Feb 4, 2012 2:28 pm


Originally Posted by JustinMSP (Post 17951734)
Sadly for me, EF is not accurate at all. I asked for about 6 flights that were shown to have O (Prestige Class) on KE (LAX-ICN-SGN, BKK-ICN, ICN-SFO) for mid-March to early April. DL SM said none of them is available. My guess is that DL limits KE awards to its own members. :(

At what redemption level are these KE tickets that you have discovered?

DL only give you redemption on KE if it is the available ticket is at low level.

CatJo Feb 4, 2012 3:05 pm

So I found O class availability on EF for SFO-ICN outbound 7/1 and returning 7/12, but two DL agents said there was nothing available for SkyMiles members; how does one redeem award tickets or find availability for SkyMiles redemption? I thought O class was all one needed, and could then redeem at the low level similar to AF/KLM?

mtkeller Feb 4, 2012 3:55 pm


Originally Posted by CatJo (Post 17952458)
So I found O class availability on EF for SFO-ICN outbound 7/1 and returning 7/12, but two DL agents said there was nothing available for SkyMiles members; how does one redeem award tickets or find availability for SkyMiles redemption? I thought O class was all one needed, and could then redeem at the low level similar to AF/KLM?

1 July is clearly a blackout date, so that's probably part of the problem.


Originally Posted by JustinMSP (Post 17951734)
Sadly for me, EF is not accurate at all. I asked for about 6 flights that were shown to have O (Prestige Class) on KE (LAX-ICN-SGN, BKK-ICN, ICN-SFO) for mid-March to early April. DL SM said none of them is available. My guess is that DL limits KE awards to its own members. :(

Mid-March to early April should be outside the blackout dates. I would trust what the EF and KVS reps have said in that these should be available to partners. Did you try calling another agent? Did you make sure the agent was looking for O class and not D class (the previous award booking class)?


Originally Posted by tentseller (Post 17952303)
At what redemption level are these KE tickets that you have discovered?

DL only give you redemption on KE if it is the available ticket is at low level.

The O bucket means low level.

CatJo Feb 4, 2012 4:46 pm

Spoke with another agent, used non-blackout dates this time (July 2, 4 etc.), and was told that Korean is (paraphrasing) "not making the O class available for Skymiles tickets, just for purchase".

So what's going on here? I specifically told the agent that O class was indeed available on the flights I wanted, and she said I can't book those with Skymiles.


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