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The Definitive "How To Search for Low Tier Business Awards"

The Definitive "How To Search for Low Tier Business Awards"

Old Jan 2, 10, 1:22 pm
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Glad this is working out for you guys!
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Old Jan 3, 10, 7:27 pm
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Thanks OP for some great tips!

Last month I utilized a somewhat similar technique (by-segment search) to successfully book JFK-KBP in J for 100,000 on the very dates I needed (booked and flown within December), after hearing "nothing available" on the phone. It has actually never occurred to me to search for Y, and I didn't think of searching for one-way awards either -- only round trips with dummy dates in the other direction.

It looks like things tend to be wide open within Europe (well, they were in my case), so you really need to nail down the TATL segments first, and then add on the rest. That's how I ended up with JFK-SVO-KBP-CDG-FRA-JFK. [At the end of the day, due to multiple WX cancellations, I was actually rerouted to skip FRA and go CDG-JFK on AF.] The SVO-KBP segment was on SU, so availability couldn't be checked online, but I could care less (sure enough, it was available when I called to book).

... The award calendar is broken, sure. But you know what?.. I'd love to see it not repaired. Because if everybody gets to see all the "hidden" possibilities with one click, then the possibilities will go away very soon. The way it is, if only those of us who know a thing or two see them.... you know.
Cynical? My word for this is 'realistic'
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Old Jan 3, 10, 9:24 pm
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OP: Great post. Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by fly747first View Post
The problem is that connecting in CDG can be chaotic. Also, intra-Europe Business Class on Air France-KLM is a joke.
Yes - CDG more chaotic than most.
No - Intra-Europe J on AF/KLM is not a joke. The service is different than what we are used to the in the States (some better aspects, some worse), but it is largely consistent with all other carriers (BA, LH, etc) for short/medium call flights within the EU.

In Europe, in J, you do get lounge access and a not bad meal on most flights (two things lacking from most domestic F/J service). In Europe,
you don't get a lot of extra leg room (just a little extra) and typically no AVOD. Most 320s/737s are 3+2 in J, not 2+2 as we know here.
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Old Jan 5, 10, 11:42 am
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So, trying out this system an I can see options that have the Business segments when searching for coach, but seems like it always keeps me in Coach for the domestic segment (i.e., SLC-ATL) and then finds Biz for the TATL segment (i.e., ATL-AMS). Is there a trick to get it into J for the entire trip?
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Old Jan 7, 10, 1:10 pm
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Hard time finding "low" award tickets...

Anyone else having an extremely difficult time finding anything in the "low" award level for summer 2010 to anywhere??

I've been looking at flying to either San Juan (PR) or Spain and can't seem to find anything in low for the entire summer. I am finding that the entire summer seems to be blocked into "medium".

Thoughts?
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Old Jan 7, 10, 1:13 pm
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So if I'm looking to use this for Asia, would I look for one-way business flights that cost 120K miles?
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Old Jan 7, 10, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by kreeft View Post
So if I'm looking to use this for Asia, would I look for one-way business flights that cost 120K miles?
No! ROUND TRIP tickets to Asia in business should costs 120,000 miles.
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Old Jan 7, 10, 2:58 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeyZBT
Anyone else having an extremely difficult time finding anything in the "low" award level for summer 2010 to anywhere??

I've been looking at flying to either San Juan (PR) or Spain and can't seem to find anything in low for the entire summer. I am finding that the entire summer seems to be blocked into "medium".

Thoughts?
I've had better luck with searching within 1mo pr less of the travel date.
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Old Jan 7, 10, 3:03 pm
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Originally Posted by Winkdaddy View Post
No! ROUND TRIP tickets to Asia in business should costs 120,000 miles.
I did the 120k via AF - EWR to CDG to Bom return via DL - Bom to ATL to EWR in December 2008..


Great trip, would like to do that again this coming Nov 2010, but it will be

NW/DL - EWR to AMS to BOM & return BOM to AMS to DTW to EWR..

Hope to score again for 120k.. Good Luck..!
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Old Jan 7, 10, 5:40 pm
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Originally Posted by MikeyZBT View Post
Anyone else having an extremely difficult time finding anything in the "low" award level for summer 2010 to anywhere??

I've been looking at flying to either San Juan (PR) or Spain and can't seem to find anything in low for the entire summer. I am finding that the entire summer seems to be blocked into "medium".

Thoughts?
Last month, I've seen "low" level open 3 weeks before departure, pretty much to the day. (I'd been monitoring things for a week or so.) For reasons all too obvious.

YMMV -- but if you absolutely need to plan your trip > 3 weeks in advance (as most people in most situations do, of course), you may be SOL
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Old Jan 7, 10, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Winkdaddy View Post
No! ROUND TRIP tickets to Asia in business should costs 120,000 miles.
That's true, but Delta doesn't offer one-ways at less than round-trip mileage requirements, so the minimum on a one-way search for Asia would be 120K.

The method is to find two one-ways that each price out at 120K, and then assemble the route using multi-city so that the round-trip returns a 120K price. That's a bit of an oversimplification, but you get the idea. For more detail, review Denolloyd's full method.
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Old Jan 7, 10, 6:01 pm
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Originally Posted by kreeft View Post
So if I'm looking to use this for Asia, would I look for one-way business flights that cost 120K miles?
Yes, for the reasons noted in the previous post.
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Old Feb 16, 10, 4:19 pm
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When I search the award ticket reservations I can only select coach or business....
How can I specifically search J and Y fares on the award reservsations screen?
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Old Feb 16, 10, 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Hotcarl
When I search the award ticket reservations I can only select coach or business....
How can I specifically search J and Y fares on the award reservsations screen?
Y= Coach and J = Business. Start by selecting Coach and performing the search. Next, look for J (Business) fares within the flight options presented. Good luck!
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Old Feb 16, 10, 4:40 pm
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lol...I thought this was my little secret...oh well, they are still gonna complain anyhoo...
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