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Old Dec 19, 16, 9:40 am
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Travel to Cuba and Trump

We have a people-to-people escorted tour to Cuba scheduled in late March 2017.

I realize it is an "unknown" as to what Trump may do about the recently relaxed US policies toward Cuba. However, I am wondering how quickly the "people to people" program could be rescinded? As I understand, people to people operates under Treasury Department regulations, which are presumably more tedious to "un-do", as opposed to executive order actions.
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Old Dec 19, 16, 1:38 pm
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Originally Posted by RJ1 View Post
We have a people-to-people escorted tour to Cuba scheduled in late March 2017.

I realize it is an "unknown" as to what Trump may do about the recently relaxed US policies toward Cuba. However, I am wondering how quickly the "people to people" program could be rescinded? As I understand, people to people operates under Treasury Department regulations, which are presumably more tedious to "un-do", as opposed to executive order actions.
Let's be clear about terminology.
The tours apply for a specific license (i.e., an application and a case-by-case determination), afaik. They have had permission for this for quite some time now.
The "recently relaxed policies" refer to a "general license" and this is the one Obama signed in by executive order starting in March, used by independent travelers. That could go at the stroke of a pen.
The 12 OFAC (Dept. of Treasury) categories, such as "people to people", are the same for both.
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Old Dec 19, 16, 1:48 pm
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If Trump were to change things regarding Cuba, everything I have read is he would likely given 11 months notice on a new policy. Too many people
have bought tickets inside the major airlines' 11 month booking window.

Whether or not anything really changes remains to be seen
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Old Dec 19, 16, 7:25 pm
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If Trump were to change things regarding Cuba, everything I have read is he would likely given 11 months notice on a new policy. Too many people
have bought tickets inside the major airlines' 11 month booking window.

Whether or not anything really changes remains to be seen
Trump wont change anything, he'll make a deal and build his TRUMP casino in Havana, it will be de ja vous again for poor Cubans back to the Battista days!

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Old Dec 19, 16, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by djjaguar64 View Post
... it will be de ja vous again...
Huh?
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Old Dec 19, 16, 8:16 pm
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Originally Posted by worldspan View Post
If Trump were to change things regarding Cuba, everything I have read is he would likely given 11 months notice on a new policy. Too many people
have bought tickets inside the major airlines' 11 month booking window.

Whether or not anything really changes remains to be seen
Where did you read that? (cite source, please)
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Old Dec 21, 16, 1:03 pm
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Originally Posted by VidaNaPraia View Post
Where did you read that? (cite source, please)
Probably at yesterdays security briefing. All jokes aside, multiple "speaking under condition of anonymity since they are not authorized to comment" people have described some negotiations on keeping Cuba travel along with Trump casino / hotel concessions. We will know more starting the 20th. Personally I think he will have his hands full with more important issues, such as what SNL aired over the weekend...

If the United States closed travel to Cuba I'm sure the airlines will refund tickets or at the very least offer a credit, to save themselves the bad publicity.
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Originally Posted by VidaNaPraia View Post
Where did you read that? (cite source, please)
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Originally Posted by djjaguar64 View Post
... it will be de ja vous again for poor Cubans back to the Battista days!
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Huh?
OP is, appropriately enough, misquoting the great Yogi Berra, who supposedly once said "It's déjà vu all over again!"
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Old Dec 22, 16, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by ajGoes View Post
OP is, appropriately enough, misquoting the great Yogi Berra, who supposedly once said "It's déjà vu all over again!"

Gee, whiz, golleeeee, thanks a million ! You have deep depth.
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Old Jan 31, 17, 10:05 pm
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Cuba Travel & Exec Orders

Reading the previous messages, it seems like the consensus is that Cuba travel will remain unchanged at least in the short term. In light of the Trump Executive Orders that came through last weekend, however, does anyone think that could change in a quicker fashion?

My gf and I booked a tour package (literally the day before the executive order) for Cuba to happen in April, but are able to get most of our money back if we did decide to cancel within a couple weeks from now. We are concerned about any issues on our return to the US (moreso about any future Exec Orders pertaining to Cuba that may come about). We both possess US Passports, though she was not born in the US.

Any reason for us to be concerned?
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Old Feb 1, 17, 12:47 am
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Trump's recent executive order shows that he has no regard for the needs of legitimate travelers, and will not hesitate to order sweeping travel bans without any warning or concern for the consequences. However, I haven't seen any indication that Cuba is on his radar at the moment. He didn't mention it during his campaign, and since it is a predominantly Christian country, he won't be targeting Cuba to pander to his evangelical base of voters.

Of course things can change at any time, but I wouldn't worry yet.
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Old Feb 1, 17, 8:58 am
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Originally Posted by KHTravelBitten View Post
Reading ... does anyone think that could change in a quicker fashion?
Any reason for us to be concerned?
Get serious. Everyone is just speculating, nothing more. No one can assure you of ANYTHING. You have to act on your own feeling, not those of others.
Anyone who thinks they can predict what might happen by a stroke of a pen in the hand of a guy like the one who is signing is in the same category as he is. What if he wakes up in the middle of the night obsessing about Cuba for some reason? Maybe we'll be paying for a sea wall across the Gulf coast and around Florida next.
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Old Feb 1, 17, 9:32 am
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There's no way to know. The situation changes regularly.

Book on a reputable airline that will offer a refund or credit in case of a sudden change. And take out some travel insurance just in case.
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Old Feb 1, 17, 7:44 pm
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Originally Posted by segacs View Post
There's no way to know. The situation changes regularly.

Book on a reputable airline that will offer a refund or credit in case of a sudden change. And take out some travel insurance just in case.
Just a comment on travel insurance... I do have travel insurance for my upcoming trip to Cuba, and I was told by the insurer that in the event that my travel was prohibited by a governmental action, I would not be reimbursed for my non-refundable costs.

Fortunately, I do have a written response from the tour operator that it would refund the trip cost in the event it had to be cancelled.
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