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dtc Apr 6, 2023 2:02 am

Getting from Maui to California by ship
 
Does anyone know if it is possible to go 1 way from Maui to California (SF or LA) by ship? (Hypothetically because you have medical restrictions that prohibit you from altitude changes like flying)

YVR Cockroach Apr 6, 2023 10:27 am

Due to U.S. laws (namely PVSA), it'll either have to be on a U.S. flagged ship - where there are few if any such pax ship doing the route (ask Matson among others if their freight ships take pax) - or a repositioning cruise ship to Mexico or Canada and take some other form of surface transportation from there.

You could see if NCL Pride of America is going for overhaul at a west coast ship yard and catch a repo cruise on that.

Of course, the issue will be getting from Maui to Honolulu and most may leave from there.

Boggie Dog Apr 6, 2023 10:54 am

Carnival does a ​[Los Angeles (Long Beach) >Maui (Kahului) > Honolulu > Kauai (Nawiliwili) > Hilo > Ensenada > End:Los Angeles (Long Beach)] cruise but no idea if you can board mid-cruise. Kinda doubt it but given certain circumstances worth checking out.

There are cargo ships that take passengers. Know nothing about that but several websites have information. Here's one:

Cargo ship cruise to every destination
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gretchendz Apr 6, 2023 12:59 pm

Yes
 

Originally Posted by dtc (Post 35147884)
Does anyone know if it is possible to go 1 way from Maui to California (SF or LA) by ship? (Hypothetically because you have medical restrictions that prohibit you from altitude changes like flying)

Several lines, Princess comes to mind, will do sailings between California and Honolulu. You'd have to get from Maui to Honolulu, but it is definitely doable.

YVR Cockroach Apr 6, 2023 5:49 pm

All the above suggested cruises are not doable w/o violating the PVSA so the cruise lines aren't even going to entertain the thought.

Those cruises cited above are round trip closed-loop and one must embark and disembark at the same port. As it is, if one misses getting on the ship at the originating U.S. port, one will not be permitted to board at any different U.S. port downstream, unless of course one intends to embark or disembark at the mandatory (due to PVSA) foreign port of call subject to cruise line permission. I suppose one could pay the $798 fine but the cruise lines don't like that.

The only way one can stay on the cruise ship is if the ship sails via a distant foreign port, which none in Mexico or Canada qualify.

You cannot piece cruises together either if on the same ship. Example, if you found a cruise on the SS X on cruise line A sailing Hawaii to Vancouver, and then SS X's next cruise is from Vancouver to San Francisco (or in reality, more likely Seattle). You will not be able to book Hawaii to Vancouver and Vancouver to San Francisco. And yes, they will find out even if you book through different travel agents).

DJ_Iceman Apr 6, 2023 9:03 pm

The Hawaii-west coast cruises I'm aware of use Vancouver as their continental port due to the PVSA. Some cruise lines do Pacific coast cruises from California ports to and from Vancouver that can be booked in conjunction with the trans-Pacific cruise. Maui as the embarkation port probably won't happen though, so the OP will need to get to Honolulu (perhaps by ferry due to the inability to fly?).

YVR Cockroach Apr 6, 2023 9:47 pm


Originally Posted by DJ_Iceman (Post 35150244)
The Hawaii-west coast cruises I'm aware of use Vancouver as their continental port due to the PVSA. Some cruise lines do Pacific coast cruises from California ports to and from Vancouver that can be booked in conjunction with the trans-Pacific cruise. Maui as the embarkation port probably won't happen though, so the OP will need to get to Honolulu (perhaps by ferry due to the inability to fly?).

Still not permitted (unless it is a different ship). There is the option of Amtrak though (bus or train from VAC to SEA, and then train to Emeryville a.k.a. SFO an LAX).

See: https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/fi...p/PVSA-ICP.pdf


46 U.S.C. § 55103- Transportation of Passengers
No vessel may transport passengers between ports or places in the United States to
which the coastwise laws apply, either directly or via a foreign port, unless the vessel is:
(1) wholly owned by U.S. citizens and (2) has a certificate of documentation with a

coastwise endorsement or, if exempt from documentation, would otherwise be eligible.
This limits the ships that can do such. Very few coastwise ships and none suitable for the high seas (even the Pride of America is restricted as it is not fully coastwise).


A non-coastwise-qualified vessel may not transport passengers directly between U.S.
coastwise ports or indirectly via several U.S. ports.3
EXAMPLE: A coastwise transportation violation occurs when a passenger
embarks a non-coastwise-qualified vessel in San Francisco and is transported to
Seattle, where the passenger disembarks.

3 19 C.F.R. § 4.80a(b)(1).
No itinerary is permitted unless the ships really goes out of the way.


The Passenger Vessel Services Act
September 2019
10
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
EXAMPLE: A PVSA violation occurs when passengers embark a non-coastwise-
qualified vessel in Los Angeles and are transported to several Hawaiian Islands
where the passengers go ashore temporarily then return to the vessel and

disembark in Los Angeles.
Reason why there is a foreign port requirement for closed loop cruises.


Between U.S. Points via a “nearby foreign port”
A non-coastwise-qualified vessel may not transport passengers between U.S.
coastwise ports by way of a “nearby foreign port.”7 A “nearby foreign port” is any
foreign port in:
o North America
o Central America
4 33 C.F.R. § 2.22(a)(2).
5 HQ 111275 (Nov. 13, 1990).
6 43 U.S.C. § 1333(a).
7 19 C.F.R. § 4.80a(b)(2). The Passenger Vessel Services Act
September 2019
11
U.S. Customs and Border Protection
o The Bermuda Islands
o The West Indies
o EXCEPTION: Leeward Islands of the Netherlands Antilles,
i.e., Aruba, Bonaire, and Curacao
A port in the U.S. Virgin Islands shall be treated as a nearby foreign port.8
EXAMPLE: A PVSA violation occurs when a non-coastwise-qualified vessel
embarks passengers in Los Angeles, transports them to the Hawaiian Islands and
Ensenada, Mexico, and then proceeds to San Diego where the passengers
disembark. Ensenada, Mexico is a “nearby foreign port”.
NOTE: Application of the PVSA is based on the geographic locations where passengers
“embark” and “disembark”. The transporting vessel’s itinerary, whether the passenger is
a revenue or non-revenue passenger, or how the passenger’s transportation is ticketed,
is irrelevant.
EXAMPLE: The transportation of passengers aboard a non-coastwise-qualified
vessel M/V MAURY on ticket/itinerary from San Francisco, California to
Vancouver, Canada, where the passengers depart the vessel with their luggage in
Vancouver. If the same passengers reboard the M/V MAURY in Vancouver using
different tickets and disembark at any other coastwise port other than San
Francisco, the M/V MAURY would be a violation of 46 U.S.C. § 55103.
9
Vessels Qualified to Engage in Coastwise Transportation, Coastwise-Qualified
Vessel
Although CBP determines whether the transportation activities are considered coastwise
trade, whether the vessel itself is qualified to engage in coastwise trade is determined by
the United States Coast Guard, National Vessel Documentation Center (NVDC). The
NVDC determines vessel eligibility for coastwise endorsements and issues certificates of
documentation.10 This section discusses the general requirements that a vessel must
meet in order to be considered “coastwise-qualified.” If a vessel is coastwise-qualified, it
may engage in the coastwise trade, including transporting “passengers” between
coastwise points. In general, a coastwise-qualified vessel must be U.S.-built, owned, and
documented with a coastwise endorsement.
U.S.-built
The vessel must be built in the United States11
8 19 C.F.R. § 4.80a(a)(2).
9 HQ H141177 (Jan. 11, 2011).
10 Questions regarding the eligibility of a vessel for documentation should be addressed to NVDC at the
NVDC website.
11 46 U.S.C. § 12112.

dbuckho Apr 6, 2023 10:16 pm

Many of the ships sailing one-way Honolulu to Vancouver stop in Maui on the way - for example Norwegian Spirit on April 24th and Seaborn Odyssey on April on April 30th. Wonder if any would let you join the cruise a few days in from Maui with medical need?

YVR Cockroach Apr 6, 2023 10:22 pm


Originally Posted by dbuckho (Post 35150352)
Many of the ships sailing one-way Honolulu to Vancouver stop in Maui on the way - for example Norwegian Spirit on April 24th and Seaborn Odyssey on April on April 30th. Wonder if any would let you join the cruise a few days in from Maui with medical need?

It should be permissible (at least no PVSA violations) but should be arranged well in advance.

duyibest Apr 7, 2023 12:14 am

How many days would it take for the trip?

gretchendz Apr 7, 2023 3:10 pm

So
 

Originally Posted by YVR Cockroach (Post 35149904)
All the above suggested cruises are not doable w/o violating the PVSA so the cruise lines aren't even going to entertain the thought.

Those cruises cited above are round trip closed-loop and one must embark and disembark at the same port. As it is, if one misses getting on the ship at the originating U.S. port, one will not be permitted to board at any different U.S. port downstream, unless of course one intends to embark or disembark at the mandatory (due to PVSA) foreign port of call subject to cruise line permission. I suppose one could pay the $798 fine but the cruise lines don't like that.

The only way one can stay on the cruise ship is if the ship sails via a distant foreign port, which none in Mexico or Canada qualify.

You cannot piece cruises together either if on the same ship. Example, if you found a cruise on the SS X on cruise line A sailing Hawaii to Vancouver, and then SS X's next cruise is from Vancouver to San Francisco (or in reality, more likely Seattle). You will not be able to book Hawaii to Vancouver and Vancouver to San Francisco. And yes, they will find out even if you book through different travel agents).

The ones I was thinking of leave LA, make a stop in Ensenada, then go on to Hawaii.

wrp96 Apr 7, 2023 3:17 pm


Originally Posted by gretchendz (Post 35152175)
The ones I was thinking of leave LA, make a stop in Ensenada, then go on to Hawaii.

Those only work for round trip returns to LA. For a one way trip, the Ensenada stop wouldn’t qualify as a distant foreign port as required under the PVSA rules for one way cruise between two different US ports.

For a one way to Hawaii, the OP would have to find a cruise departing Vancouver (a few lines used to do one ways that started in Ensenada but don’t anymore because of various issues) or on a US ship like NCL’s Pride of America.

wrp96 Apr 7, 2023 3:18 pm


Originally Posted by duyibest (Post 35150515)
How many days would it take for the trip?

There’s usually 5-6 sea days on most itineraries between the west coast and Hawaii

gretchendz Apr 7, 2023 3:21 pm

It takes awhile
 

Originally Posted by duyibest (Post 35150515)
How many days would it take for the trip?

I recently saw a Vancouver to Honolulu that was 13 days.

Often it might be a leg on a cruise that is going from the West Coast to Australia/New Zealand. But they are happy to sell shorter legs as need be.

You've got to like "at sea" days :) I love them, but not everyone's cup of tea.

YVR Cockroach Apr 7, 2023 9:06 pm


Originally Posted by wrp96 (Post 35152194)
For a one way to Hawaii, the OP would have to find a cruise departing Vancouver (a few lines used to do one ways that started in Ensenada but don’t anymore because of various issues) or on a US ship like NCL’s Pride of America.

Even that ship operates under special conditions/restrictions as it is not fully built in the U.S. (hull laid down in the U.S. but completed in Germany). It's pretty much restricted to operating around the Hawaii islands and IIRC can operate to the mainland U.S. when repositioning for dry dock work.


However, the exemption limits the markets these ships may serve. NCL is required to keep the ships in "regular service" in Hawaii and is restricted from using the exempted vessels for transporting passengers to ports in the Caribbean, the Gulf of Mexico, or Alaska.


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