CDC extends no sail order to September 30.
Sep 22, 2020, 5:47 am
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We're scheduled to go out on November 1, 2020 but I suspect that will be cancelled. Wife wants to go so guess I'll risk it. Don't think there is anyway in the world for the different cruise lines to implement all of those guidelines in time for any sailings this year. I can't see wearing a mask full time on the ship + ashore and our trip is scheduled for 14 days.
Sep 22, 2020, 9:14 am
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Crew did get off at intermediate ports more often, potentially transferring ships. Seems like one could be effectively at sea without passengers in a cruise stop for quite some time, though https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...arkations.html
Sep 22, 2020, 9:25 am
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I remember that CDC report didn't include Carnival ships COVID-19 stats as they moved out of US waters during the No Sail. Three ships still in Red, ship status last updated Sept 15.
CDC extends no sail order to September 30.
CLIA's recommendation:
https://cruising.org/en/news-and-res...alth-protocols
Just once? When did they have to get that test? Is that really all that's needed on this flyer along with rather confusing graphic or emoji of two test tubes/sunglasses with socks? Any specific result of the test? https://cruising.org/-/media/Infogra...20TESTING%20V1
RCL & NCL's recommendation:
https://www.royalcaribbeangroup.com/...1.20_FINAL.pdf
"SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home". Debark - we've been speculating on that. Travel Home - Clarification needed. "SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals", so really individuals with COVID-19, to get on a plane while positive with their close contacts, likely also positive if they've been sharing a cabin, taking transit where that local shore worker also doesn't get any testing, just symptom screening?
Nothing mentioned about testing after return or suggesting quarantine. Not that I'd expect the cruise lines to mention this as people don't want to quarantine, but the federal level's messaging on this is absent and I feel my state and county don't really mention anything about this in their social media channels, lest it be seen as encouraging personal travel.
@Boggie Dog - The joint RCCL/NCL recommendation notes they'll start with shorter cruises to private islands, first. Is it specifically the cruise or would just about anything other than your own home do?
CDC extends no sail order to September 30.
CLIA's recommendation:
https://cruising.org/en/news-and-res...alth-protocols
Just once? When did they have to get that test? Is that really all that's needed on this flyer along with rather confusing graphic or emoji of two test tubes/sunglasses with socks? Any specific result of the test? https://cruising.org/-/media/Infogra...20TESTING%20V1
RCL & NCL's recommendation:
https://www.royalcaribbeangroup.com/...1.20_FINAL.pdf
"SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home". Debark - we've been speculating on that. Travel Home - Clarification needed. "SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals", so really individuals with COVID-19, to get on a plane while positive with their close contacts, likely also positive if they've been sharing a cabin, taking transit where that local shore worker also doesn't get any testing, just symptom screening?
Nothing mentioned about testing after return or suggesting quarantine. Not that I'd expect the cruise lines to mention this as people don't want to quarantine, but the federal level's messaging on this is absent and I feel my state and county don't really mention anything about this in their social media channels, lest it be seen as encouraging personal travel.
@Boggie Dog - The joint RCCL/NCL recommendation notes they'll start with shorter cruises to private islands, first. Is it specifically the cruise or would just about anything other than your own home do?
Carnival and Celebrity ships are clustered south of Grand Bahama making runs into Freeport for provisions. Saw one ship from that cluster head down to Sint Maarten. It's been in port for several days.
My confidence in the CDC is lagging. CDC needs to up its game when releasing position announcements.
Sep 22, 2020, 10:05 am
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I'd rather they change the publishing access passwords/permissions and tighten up their reviews prior to publication. I do wonder if some of the slip ups and insertions to the CDC website is due to political infighting to make them appear untrustworthy or restart things which the majority of career CDC doesn't feel should be restarted.
Sep 26, 2020, 4:15 pm
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Sep 26, 2020, 7:07 pm
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Sep 27, 2020, 11:22 am
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Sep 27, 2020, 3:12 pm
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Sep 27, 2020, 3:41 pm
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14 days departs Galveston.
edit to add:
Just searched for our booking and can't find any new current offers for that sailing. Wife read some scuttlebutt that all cabin assignments were frozen and no additional bookings allowed. That may just be a pile of hokum.
I still expect this cruise to be cancelled and surprised it hasn't had the plug pulled already. Seems like the carrier is taking a lot of risk to push ahead at this time not to mention passengers.
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Sep 28, 2020, 3:51 am
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Just searched for our booking and can't find any new current offers for that sailing. Wife read some scuttlebutt that all cabin assignments were frozen and no additional bookings allowed. That may just be a pile of hokum.
I still expect this cruise to be cancelled and surprised it hasn't had the plug pulled already. Seems like the carrier is taking a lot of risk to push ahead at this time not to mention passengers.
I still expect this cruise to be cancelled and surprised it hasn't had the plug pulled already. Seems like the carrier is taking a lot of risk to push ahead at this time not to mention passengers.
https://www.regulations.gov/docketBr...2020-0087-0001
Clicked through and noted a few things:
1. Not sure if commenters read the CDC's no sail order & COVID-19 on ships statistics.
2. Sure are a lot of CLIA points in resume sailing posts, almost verbatim. Do they run these through machine learning filters to group them?
3. Not a single one I've clicked on has addressed the quarantine ship scenario where it is turned away at all ports and how much that would hurt consumer trust.
4. Some eco champions also submitted comments. Again, machine learning filters?
Plenty of people stating they trust the cruise lines, but are also travel agents by profession who earn commission on cruises (they're not hiding this). Some are cruisers who just want to go on vacation, though most say nothing about caring for the health of crew or the communities they'd presumably visit. Only financial concerns.
Sep 30, 2020, 12:40 am
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https://www.axios.com/scoop-white-ho...4e9a39fb6.html
Looks like next extension of No Sail will be until October 31, 2020.
Looks like next extension of No Sail will be until October 31, 2020.
Oct 1, 2020, 12:23 am
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Ummm
https://www.axios.com/scoop-white-ho...4e9a39fb6.html
Looks like next extension of No Sail will be until October 31, 2020.
Looks like next extension of No Sail will be until October 31, 2020.
These people are insane. Politics should never. over-rule public health. I am a huge cruise proponent--but my personal extension is "Until I really believe it's safe,"
Oct 1, 2020, 3:24 am
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No Sail order update https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/pdf/C...-30-2020-p.pdf
Still four ships with outbreaks currently going in and out of US waters. With protocols presumably in place to get to green/"clean" for several months to repatriate crew.
Carnival ships generally moved outside US waters so they aren't included in the count. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...al-travel.html
Cumulative CDC data from March 1 through September 28, 2020, show a total of 3,689 confirmed cases of COVID-191 or COVID-like illness cases on cruise ships and 41 deaths. These data have also revealed a total of 102 outbreaks on 124 different cruise ships, meaning more than 82% of ships within U.S. jurisdiction were affected by COVID-19 during this time frame. In addition, four cruise ships still have ongoing or resolving COVID-19 outbreaks on board. Recent outbreaks on cruise ships overseas continue to demonstrate that reduced capacity alone has not diminished transmission.
Carnival ships generally moved outside US waters so they aren't included in the count. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...al-travel.html