CDC extends no sail order to September 30.
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No Carnival corp ships currently? Perhaps they haven't filed a No Sail Order response plan?
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I read somewhere Carnival moved all their ships out of U.S. waters, or pulled planned U.S. sailings or some such so it doesn't have to respond as its ships thus were outside U.S. jurisdiction.
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https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/...-ships-tracker
Several Princess ships near Malaysia
https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/...-ships-tracker
https://www.marinevesseltraffic.com/...-ships-tracker
Various lines have a pod near Manila but a few will go into port over the next few days. Some have been at sea for a while so hopefully repatriation, though Manila seems to be the center of the outbreak last week?
The Carnival ships near the Bahamas really aren't tracked putting into port very often. I hope they really only have essential crews and they're still able to get supplies. Similar pod neighbors like Oasis still port into Miami every so often https://www.vesselfinder.com/vessels/OASIS-OF-THE-SEAS-IMO-9383936-MMSI-311020600 The recent ban on US tourists to Bahama doesn't seem to include include crew only passenger vessels.
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Looks like TUI resumed sailing today July 24 while Hapag-Lloyd and Aida also have few sailings in the coming weeks. All are sailing within Europe and Hapag-Lloyd has agreed to only welcome guests who are residents in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland at this time.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...ainst-cruising
https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...ainst-cruising
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Looks like TUI resumed sailing today July 24 while Hapag-Lloyd and Aida also have few sailings in the coming weeks. All are sailing within Europe and Hapag-Lloyd has agreed to only welcome guests who are residents in Germany, Austria, and Switzerland at this time.
https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...ainst-cruising
https://www.maritime-executive.com/a...ainst-cruising
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In spite of that news, our Holland America cruise we booked a year ago on the Oosterdam SEA-SYD is still scheduled to leave on 9/27/20. In fact, HAL is still selling cabins for that cruise. Plenty of our shipmates have already cancelled with no penalty but we have not cancelled. Our final payment is due tomorrow but HAL has allowed us to hold off on that as long as we'd like with no penalty which is very fair. Granted, at this point it looks like it would be quite unlikely that we go but who knows. If we go, we could be the canaries in the coal mine for the cruise industry...
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My spouse read that information has gone out to TA indicating that Carnival intends to resume cruises beginning November. Can't vouch for the accuracy of that claim. We're booked for a 14 day cruise early November.
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Not really an official announcement, but a tease on FB
Carnival brand ambassador John Heald
Heald said with the launch of Costa and the upcoming restart of services by AIDA Cruises, Carnival Cruise Line is working with the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) to develop a plan to bring back voyages safely for all passengers and crew members.
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CLIA has produced action steps if approved by CDC would allow a return to cruising in U.S. waters.
New regulations announced for cruising's return to US waters
I see some issues in this proposal making compliance difficult for passengers.
New regulations announced for cruising's return to US waters
CNN) — Universal mask wearing, physical distancing, Covid-19 testing and increasing fresh air into ventilation systems could allow cruising in the US to return before the end of 2020.
The Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), the industry body that represents the world's major cruise lines, on Monday announced the "mandatory core elements" of a new set of health regulations for the return of cruising in the Americas. CLIA says these protocols will allow for a safe and healthy cruising experience.
The Cruise Lines International Association (CLIA), the industry body that represents the world's major cruise lines, on Monday announced the "mandatory core elements" of a new set of health regulations for the return of cruising in the Americas. CLIA says these protocols will allow for a safe and healthy cruising experience.
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CLIA has produced action steps if approved by CDC would allow a return to cruising in U.S. waters.
New regulations announced for cruising's return to US waters
I see some issues in this proposal making compliance difficult for passengers.
New regulations announced for cruising's return to US waters
I see some issues in this proposal making compliance difficult for passengers.
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We're scheduled to go out on November 1, 2020 but I suspect that will be cancelled. Wife wants to go so guess I'll risk it. Don't think there is anyway in the world for the different cruise lines to implement all of those guidelines in time for any sailings this year. I can't see wearing a mask full time on the ship + ashore and our trip is scheduled for 14 days.
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CDC extends no sail order to September 30.
CLIA's recommendation:
https://cruising.org/en/news-and-res...alth-protocols
Testing. 100% testing of passengers and crew for COVID-19 prior to embarkation.
RCL & NCL's recommendation:
https://www.royalcaribbeangroup.com/...1.20_FINAL.pdf
Testing
2 Cruise operators should implement a crew surveillance program, including periodic testing for SARS-CoV-2, to provide a reasonable level of assurance that the virus is not circulating among crew.
3 Other employees and ancillary staff (e.g., luggage porters and transportation providers) should undergo daily symptom screening but do not need to be regularly tested like crew or guests.
4 All guests joining a ship, regardless of method of travel to the ship, should be tested for SARS-CoV-2 between 5 days and 24 hours before boarding and receive a negative result that is shared with the cruise operator, before coming on board.
Onboard Symptom Tracking and Monitoring
13 Cruise operators should conduct once-daily temperature checks for guests and crew on board.
14 Cruise operators should employ routine symptom screening methodologies to help ensure that potential SARS-CoV-2 infections are identified as quickly as possible.
15 Cruise operators should ensure education efforts are in place to help guests understand the importance of reporting symptoms and potential repercussions of failure to report symptoms.
55 There are two essential prerequisites that need to be satisfied in order for a ship to sail to a given port:
1) Approval from the local government to visit a port.
2) Agreement to allow safe passage to SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home.
56 Cruise operators should rely primarily on three key parameters when determining whether to travel to a given port:
1) Current burden of SARS CoV-2 as defined by testing rate, positivity rate, and death rate.
2) Local testing capacity.
3) Local/regional/national implementation of SARS CoV-2 mitigation protocols.
2 Cruise operators should implement a crew surveillance program, including periodic testing for SARS-CoV-2, to provide a reasonable level of assurance that the virus is not circulating among crew.
3 Other employees and ancillary staff (e.g., luggage porters and transportation providers) should undergo daily symptom screening but do not need to be regularly tested like crew or guests.
4 All guests joining a ship, regardless of method of travel to the ship, should be tested for SARS-CoV-2 between 5 days and 24 hours before boarding and receive a negative result that is shared with the cruise operator, before coming on board.
Onboard Symptom Tracking and Monitoring
13 Cruise operators should conduct once-daily temperature checks for guests and crew on board.
14 Cruise operators should employ routine symptom screening methodologies to help ensure that potential SARS-CoV-2 infections are identified as quickly as possible.
15 Cruise operators should ensure education efforts are in place to help guests understand the importance of reporting symptoms and potential repercussions of failure to report symptoms.
55 There are two essential prerequisites that need to be satisfied in order for a ship to sail to a given port:
1) Approval from the local government to visit a port.
2) Agreement to allow safe passage to SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home.
56 Cruise operators should rely primarily on three key parameters when determining whether to travel to a given port:
1) Current burden of SARS CoV-2 as defined by testing rate, positivity rate, and death rate.
2) Local testing capacity.
3) Local/regional/national implementation of SARS CoV-2 mitigation protocols.
Nothing mentioned about testing after return or suggesting quarantine. Not that I'd expect the cruise lines to mention this as people don't want to quarantine, but the federal level's messaging on this is absent and I feel my state and county don't really mention anything about this in their social media channels, lest it be seen as encouraging personal travel.
@Boggie Dog - The joint RCCL/NCL recommendation notes they'll start with shorter cruises to private islands, first. Is it specifically the cruise or would just about anything other than your own home do?
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The record of the cruise lines was less than stellar during the early phase of the pandemic and the mouthpiece for the cruise lines talks a good game but when the boats sail will they be any better than Hurtigruten?
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2020/09...s-hurtigruten/
And considering the reluctance of crew to enforce other rules would they be equally lax about enforcing mask and distancing requirements particularly given the subset of [mod edit] those who believe wearing a mask is an affront to their "personal freedoms?"
It would be surprising if any country gave a blank cheque to cruise lines to off-load and transport COVID-positive passengers/crew and their close contacts. You could potentially be handling hundreds of people.
https://www.newsinenglish.no/2020/09...s-hurtigruten/
Norway’s maritime authority has issued a highly critical report of how shipping and cruise line Hurtigruten deviated from health and safety policy and regulations in the midst of the Corona crisis. It notes that Hurtigruten failed to announce or log both suspicion and subsequent confirmation of the Corona virus on board its MS Roald Amundsen last month, even though some crew members were ill more than a week before alarms were sounded on July 31.
"SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals and their close contacts to debark and travel home". Debark - we've been speculating on that. Travel Home - Clarification needed. "SARS-CoV-2-infected individuals", so really individuals with COVID-19, to get on a plane while positive with their close contacts, likely also positive if they've been sharing a cabin, taking transit where that local shore worker also doesn't get any testing, just symptom screening?
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