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Old Jul 10, 19, 7:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Hoyaheel View Post
Some people are very picky about itineraries, and on small ships, sometimes if you snooze you lose.

That's a pretty american-focused perspective - lots of other countries have different booking regulations.
We book as much as one to two years out. Over the past seven years our cruises have all been on a Silversea ship. Most on the Silver Wind that only has about a 280 passenger capacity so that is a factor. Secondly Silversea cruises are normally not canned repetitive cruises like one might see for destinations like Alaska and the Caribbean where big lines repeat the same itinerary over and over again. Itís not that Silversea or Seabourn never repeat itineraries itís more they donít do it often. Thirdly at least Silversea has a fare guarantee program. That means if they lower the fare after you book they will adjust your fare. Because of that Silversea does not have last minute ďfire salesĒ nor do they do discounted up sells or free upgrades to higher category cabins. Fourth is my wife still works and she is the chief of staff of a government agency. She just canít walk in and say sheís going on previously unapproved leave. An additional requirement for her is any travel outside has to be reviewed and approved. Our last cruise was 18 days Rome to Dubai so we visited Italy, Egypt, Jordan, Oman, and UAE. She had to have what we call country clearance for every country and carried a 16 page memo with specific instructions for each country. So yes there are several reasons why we book so far out. Is our situation unique because of my wifeís job? Yes but even without that we are destination cruisers and we like unique cruises so weíll always book early.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 7:12 am
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Mass market will upsell, especailly after final payment and from two weeks out to 3 days before sailing.
Did a Carnival out of NY was a gift to nephew and family for his graduation, I had my own cabin. Got a call 1 week out, missed the call on my cell but it was a Florida number. Called my Carnival company (what ever they call their sales people) and he told me that they assign specific sales person at the 2 wees prior to sailing to sell cabin upgrades to booked passengers and then the vacated cabin at discount.
He said he couldn't sell me what they were calling about but would get back to me. He did an hour later with a direct number to the staff person doing the "upsells". I went from an inside to a Spa Balcony for $50 a day included Spa access, great way to get away from my wife's family. The cabin originally had a family of four. I know this because it took two nights for the cabin steward to stop turning down the beds for four people (drop the beds from ceiling) and our assigned dinning was a table for four and they asked when were the other two coming.

I don't sail Carnival much, in an inside on Royal Princess next cruise I doubt I will get anything like that!
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Old Jul 11, 19, 9:47 am
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Originally Posted by BamaVol View Post
A question for those who have taken TATL repositioning cruises on non-luxury, non-premium lines. How occupied were the ships? Our last 2 cruises were sold out and I would like just once to cruise without all the other passengers. It would also help me determine the risk of booking a guarantee.
The TATL repositioning cruises I have been looking at were Princess, HAL and Celebrity primarily. So I am still curious about passenger density on those.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 10:08 am
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You might get more responses over on cruisecritic than here on FT as everyone there has an interest in cruising.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 11:55 am
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Originally Posted by BamaVol View Post
The TATL repositioning cruises I have been looking at were Princess, HAL and Celebrity primarily. So I am still curious about passenger density on those.
All three of those lines are considered "premium" cruise lines.

I've been on one repositioning with Princess, and four with Celebrity, and all seemed pretty full. (I thought that Celebrity was better, by the way. And if it matters to you, Celebrity has a more-restrictive smoking policy. For example, the casino is completely non-smoking at all times.)
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Old Jul 11, 19, 12:48 pm
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Originally Posted by hhoope01 View Post
You might get more responses over on cruisecritic than here on FT as everyone there has an interest in cruising.
Actually, I prefer to deal with a smaller number of subjective opinions. I would rather reserve CC for meet-ups and excursion-sharing. But, you're right and eventually I will post my question there.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976 View Post
All three of those lines are considered "premium" cruise lines.

I've been on one repositioning with Princess, and four with Celebrity, and all seemed pretty full. (I thought that Celebrity was better, by the way. And if it matters to you, Celebrity has a more-restrictive smoking policy. For example, the casino is completely non-smoking at all times.)
We both dislike cigarette smoke but neither of us spends any time in the casino. I've not sailed with HAL, Celebrity or Princess. My father-in-law has and prefers them to the mass market lines like RC & NCL which he sailed early on.

I guess it was a poor assumption on my part that a lack of ports and many sea days in a row would attract fewer cruisers. The prices are certainly enticing and they have to move the ships anyway. Maybe I read too much into that.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by guv1976 View Post
All three of those lines are considered "premium" cruise lines
With what hierarchy? In a hierarchy I posted in another thread, I use what I've seen most commonly used by TAs of mass market, premium, and luxury. I personally would definitely consider Princess, HAL and Celebrity to be mass market.

(premium would be Azamara, Oceania and luxury would be Silversea, Regent, Seabourn)
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Old Jul 11, 19, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Hoyaheel View Post
With what hierarchy? In a hierarchy I posted in another thread, I use what I've seen most commonly used by TAs of mass market, premium, and luxury. I personally would definitely consider Princess, HAL and Celebrity to be mass market.

(premium would be Azamara, Oceania and luxury would be Silversea, Regent, Seabourn)
See, for example:

https://www.fodors.com/cruises/101/choosing-your-ship/cruise-lines-by-type/best-premium-lines


https://www.avidcruiser.com/cruise-reviews/premium/

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Yeah, I think the fodors link is one I also referenced. Still believe Princess, HAL & Celebrity are mass market ("Mainstream") lines. I've sailed on Princess & HAL. And Azamara and Seabourn. I don't cruise a ton. But I definitely notice a difference going from Princess/HAL to what I consider a premium line.

I have not sailed on NCL, RCI, or Carnival (too big) so I couldn't say if Princess/HAL/Celebrity were a notch above or not.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 1:06 pm
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My transatlantic cruises have all been sold out. Now, unlike a normal Caribbean or Alaska sailing, most rooms were double occupancy only, so the ship was overall less crowded than it would be on an Alaska or Caribbean sailing, where it is not uncommon for the ship to be at max capacity (a ship can be sold out without being at max capacity) with 3rd and 4th berths being used in many cabins.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 6:20 pm
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Originally Posted by BamaVol View Post
The TATL repositioning cruises I have been looking at were Princess, HAL and Celebrity primarily. So I am still curious about passenger density on those.
I've done repos (5 in total) of various lengths on all 3 in the past 7 years. I would not, as others have already (not) done, call any of them "premium" lines but perhaps better mass market ones.

I think for various reasons, HAL would be the least-dense in my experience (as in, there might be empty cabins), probably due to its reputation for older passengers. Princess has a crowd that seems a decade or two younger in general and Celebrity is the same but maybe a crowd that sees itself as "hipper". Repo cruises on these latter two lines have been full in my experience (and it does not make for a pleasant one).

As for Celebrity, be prepared for poor food offerings if you're not in their suite or Aqua/spa cabin classes with attendant exclusive restaurants. I met some people who are loyal HAL pssengers and they weren't too impressed with their Australia-Canad sailing a few weeks ago (due to cutbacks). If another sailing in a few weeks proves to be the same, they'll be perfectly happy to abandon HAL.
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Old Jul 11, 19, 7:35 pm
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I've done several "re-positioning" cruises:

1. Costa: Copenhagen to Genoa. Terrible experience at a low cost. Unlike a previous Costa cruise that we loved, this one had a very different class of passengers aboard.

2. Seabourn: Dubai-Nice. What a great bargain! Unfortunately, we loved Seabourn so much that we have been paying through the nose for non-re-positioning cruises.

3. Silversea: Alaska-Tokyo. Had a great time, but not 100% sold on Silversea.
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Old Jul 12, 19, 5:58 am
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Originally Posted by 747FC View Post
2. Seabourn: Dubai-Nice. What a great bargain! Unfortunately, we loved Seabourn so much that we have been paying through the nose for non-re-positioning cruises..
There were some great prices this year for the Dubai - Piraeus itinerary (and the Singapore-Piraeus itin as well). Sadly bad timing for us- I really want to do that leg at some point - as far as I've seen, it's typically one of the cheapest per diems offered by Seabourn. I'd sail it for the ship, for Petra, and for going through the Suez Canal (yeah, I know, everyone says it's boring - still wanna do it!!) I guess most passengers don't find it an appealing cruise or the prices would be higher....
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Old Jul 12, 19, 6:28 am
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Originally Posted by 747FC View Post
I've done several "re-positioning" cruises:

1. Costa: Copenhagen to Genoa. Terrible experience at a low cost. Unlike a previous Costa cruise that we loved, this one had a very different class of passengers aboard.
And that's important, and what made the last cruise difficult. I think the ship could handle 4,600 pax just fine. But there was a deep cultural rift between 2 halves of the customer base. I don't know if the other side was aware of it, but one half of the passengers seemed united in their dislike for the other half. Without getting too deep into it, over 2,000 were cosmetic salespeople on an award cruise.
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