My BofA AS Visa Signature Card Fraud Caught
#16
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Citi card. I just called Citi to tell them it wasn't authorized. It issued temp credit. Then I called WSJ to chew them up. They issued credit. It took 10 days for WSJ credit to show up. Once it showed up I called Citi to inform them the merchant had resolved the issue. Citi reversed the temp credit. Case closed.
No, I did not vehemently dispute it, simply told them I did not authorize this charge as I knew it wasn't a case of stolent information.
BTW, fraudulent charges do not equate to ID Theft, but people (and the Media) tend to confuse the two. Your personal data do not get compromised in a credit card fraudulent charge case, only the card itself is compromised.
ID Theft would be like someone got your personal data and then use it to apply for loan, mortgage, etc.
No, I did not vehemently dispute it, simply told them I did not authorize this charge as I knew it wasn't a case of stolent information.
BTW, fraudulent charges do not equate to ID Theft, but people (and the Media) tend to confuse the two. Your personal data do not get compromised in a credit card fraudulent charge case, only the card itself is compromised.
ID Theft would be like someone got your personal data and then use it to apply for loan, mortgage, etc.
#17
Join Date: Jul 2004
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You handled it very calmly. It was obviously an attempt to defraud you since they wormed their way into your NEW CC number. When you caught them, it was "opps, sorry."
I admire your ability to remain unruffled by this dishonesty. I sometimes lose my temper too easily. I am trying to change.
#18
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You handled it very calmly. It was obviously an attempt to defraud you since they wormed their way into your NEW CC number. When you caught them, it was "opps, sorry."I admire your ability to remain unruffled by this dishonesty. I sometimes lose my temper too easily. I am trying to change.
Someone at WSJ did not carry thru the instruction of "this account is not subject to automatic renewal" or in that nature. I chewed up WSJ because I got an email before to guarantee me there would be no automatic renewal as a condition for me to take a trial subscription.
#19
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
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Had a fraudulent charge on my AS Visa Signature back in June. BofA had denied the charge, but still notified me via email, and placed an immediate lock on my account preventing any use of the card until I could log in to my account and attest to whether or not the charge was fradulent. I filled out an online form identifying the fradulent charge(took 5 min max), and then they sent me a new card which showed up in about 3 or 4 business days. The whole process went very smoothly, and I was appreciative that BofA had these fraud prevention mechanisms in place. So I just wanted to strongly disagree with what the other poster said about BofA not monitoring for fraud. And I didn't sign up for one of their add-on monitoring services either.
#20
Join Date: Jul 2009
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In theory, CC companies let the charges go through after you cancel a card because you may have charged it legitimately a few days ago, but it hasn't posted. But why can't they set an expiration limit such as 1-2 weeks after which all charges including pre-approvals have to be declined?
In practice, they let the charges through because people are more likely to forget it once they thought it's cancelled. There is a higher chance to hit people with late fees and finance charges. In some cases, they hit you with other penalties claiming you knowingly charge against a canceled card.
So it's another sleazy way to make money for them. They are there to protect you only when they will otherwise come out on the losing end themselves.
In practice, they let the charges through because people are more likely to forget it once they thought it's cancelled. There is a higher chance to hit people with late fees and finance charges. In some cases, they hit you with other penalties claiming you knowingly charge against a canceled card.
So it's another sleazy way to make money for them. They are there to protect you only when they will otherwise come out on the losing end themselves.
#21
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I don't think this is true. If a merchant tries to charge to a canceled or nonexistent account, it will bounce back to them not you. In fact, if your CC number gets out, one way to thwart fraud is to change the number.
Why in the world would the CC company try to charge you for a canceled account?
Why in the world would the CC company try to charge you for a canceled account?
As someone else mentioned, it's a good idea to never agree to recurring charges.
Last edited by l etoile; Aug 6, 2009 at 9:18 am
#22
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Naples, Florida
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I would love to pay FPL by CC - but I dont see such payment option online? I have explored such ability, but it seems you have to jump thru hoops to some 3rd party handler... Am I missing something here?
Yes, I pay everything by CC if possible. Paid a $2.12 purchase on Sunday with Schwab Visa.
Yes, I pay everything by CC if possible. Paid a $2.12 purchase on Sunday with Schwab Visa.
http://www.fpl.com/customer/paycard.shtml?id=alias
For private accounts the fee is low. For company accounts they just increased the fee.
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Here is the link:
http://www.fpl.com/customer/paycard.shtml?id=alias
For private accounts the fee is low. For company accounts they just increased the fee.
http://www.fpl.com/customer/paycard.shtml?id=alias
For private accounts the fee is low. For company accounts they just increased the fee.
The answer is NO. FPL continues to direct you to use Western Union (the 3rd party) to make CC payment, and the fee seems to be 3% on the amount as the fee shown is exactly 3% of my light bill.
So, why use a CC to pay when you incur a 3% fee?! essentially you are paying dearly to "buy" the miles or points. I can understand someone may need a quick top up for account and resort to use this mechanism. However, it would be a very dumb way to gain miles / points doing this.
Last edited by Happy; Aug 6, 2009 at 11:11 am
#24
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I had a 800 number service, the company based in Canada, that was a monthly recurring charge. I canceled 3 years ago. After a few months, I noticed some small charges still coming through from the company. I called them up directly, and they said they'd refund the money.
Nothing happened. I called them up a couple of months later, and they again said they'd stop it. A few more months went by. I called up the credit card, and disputed all the previous charges. They took them off. Every month, the small ($1.50-$3 each) came through. Then they increased to $6 each. After disputing a few times, I was sick of it. I ended up just canceling the card, and getting a new number issued.
To this day, the company still sends me monthly invoices. Talk about a dumb company.
Nothing happened. I called them up a couple of months later, and they again said they'd stop it. A few more months went by. I called up the credit card, and disputed all the previous charges. They took them off. Every month, the small ($1.50-$3 each) came through. Then they increased to $6 each. After disputing a few times, I was sick of it. I ended up just canceling the card, and getting a new number issued.
To this day, the company still sends me monthly invoices. Talk about a dumb company.
#25
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Naples, Florida
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I thought I mentioned that paying FPL by credit card, you have to go thru 3rd party and incur fee. My question therefore, really was, Had FPL now changed to allow Credit Card payment just like AT&T, Comcast and other utilities, that you can pay online with CC , no fee?
The answer is NO. FPL continues to direct you to use Western Union (the 3rd party) to make CC payment, and the fee seems to be 3% on the amount as the fee shown is exactly 3% of my light bill.
So, why use a CC to pay when you incur a 3% fee?! essentially you are paying dearly to "buy" the miles or points. I can understand someone may need a quick top up for account and resort to use this mechanism. However, it would be a very dumb way to gain miles / points doing this.
The answer is NO. FPL continues to direct you to use Western Union (the 3rd party) to make CC payment, and the fee seems to be 3% on the amount as the fee shown is exactly 3% of my light bill.
So, why use a CC to pay when you incur a 3% fee?! essentially you are paying dearly to "buy" the miles or points. I can understand someone may need a quick top up for account and resort to use this mechanism. However, it would be a very dumb way to gain miles / points doing this.
On my last bill I paid 1.3% .... that's OK for me
#26
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Broward County does allow CC payment for property tax, again, with a 3% fee.