Are travel credit cards really worth it now?
#16
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I wasn't talking about "class of service" and all the extra fees some people are willing to pay to get better seats. If you reread my post you'll see that I was talking about basic economy seating, which for us people who fly two or three times per year usually get. I try to save as much money as I can on the flight so I'll have more for spending on vacations and I try to get my airline tickets as cheaply as possible. My point/question was about the airlines and how they're trying to eliminate free basic economy tickets for credit card travelers (that's my opinion and I was looking for others). I'm beginning to think it's not worth the free ticket if you cannot reserve a seat in advance and end up boarding last with the possibility of not being able to have a carry-on, which means you probably won't be able to sit with spouse. Being that I'm disabled I need an isle seat, but that will be very difficult to get if I have to wait for seating. Sorry if I offended anyone with my posts, I'll stop and move on.
So it's not really a "points" issue - or an issue of airlines treating "credit card travelers" differently - it's the fact that you're purchasing a ticket in a fare bucket that is encumbered with additional restrictions.
#17
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Your stated issue doesn't really have anything to do with "credit card travelers", though. When you buy basic economy tickets - whether you pay with cash or with credit card points - you don't get an assigned seat and you forfeit other amenities in return for the lower price.
So it's not really a "points" issue - or an issue of airlines treating "credit card travelers" differently - it's the fact that you're purchasing a ticket in a fare bucket that is encumbered with additional restrictions.
So it's not really a "points" issue - or an issue of airlines treating "credit card travelers" differently - it's the fact that you're purchasing a ticket in a fare bucket that is encumbered with additional restrictions.
#18
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I wasn't talking about "class of service" and all the extra fees some people are willing to pay to get better seats. If you reread my post you'll see that I was talking about basic economy seating, which for us people who fly two or three times per year usually get. I try to save as much money as I can on the flight so I'll have more for spending on vacations and I try to get my airline tickets as cheaply as possible.
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As to the original question: '"Are travel credit cards really worth it now?"
To answer that question, on must define "it". The starting cost of miles from travel credit cards is their opportunity cost. This is the amount of money you give up from cash back cards when spending on a miles earning card. See this discussion to compute that: The Opportunity Cost of Credit Card Miles Offers
To answer that question, on must define "it". The starting cost of miles from travel credit cards is their opportunity cost. This is the amount of money you give up from cash back cards when spending on a miles earning card. See this discussion to compute that: The Opportunity Cost of Credit Card Miles Offers
#20
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If you like the idea of last-minute ("this weekend", "tomorrow", etc) personal trips, travel credit cards are a good way to enjoy that freedom and avoid paying through the nose.
To clarify: I think it's still worth it despite the new restrictions on Delta.
To clarify: I think it's still worth it despite the new restrictions on Delta.
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The thing that airlines need to be careful of when following Delta down this road of revenue-based earning, fare-based redemption is that their programs are turning into basic rebates. If you earn one mile/$ with your credit card spend, and can only redeem for $0.01/mile (a valuation DL seems to be striving to normalize award redemptions at), it makes little sense to spend on that card and earn effectively a 1% rebate, while there are other cards that offer 2% cash back on all purchases or others that have high category bonuses. I’m sure there are plenty of people who won’t bother to do even basic math, but this risks the future of loyalty programs (and even the entire airlines themselves) that are propped up on revenue from mileage sales to co-branded credit card partners.
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#22
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I'm not really going to get into whether people can select seats in advance for basic economy. But I will address the OP's question about whether travel cards are still worth it.
For me, yes. I got into this hobby back in early 2014 and have accumulated millions of miles from churning. I've been to 35+ countries in the last 4 years and that wouldn't have happened without all the miles I've racked up. Even now, almost 5 years after I got into the hobby, I still have a huge stash of points and miles that I can use.
I've slowed down a bit. Banks have gotten smarter about putting in rules to limit the amount of gaming the system that people can do. I still do it when able.
So for me, travel cards are still absolutely worth it. But I'm certainly not as crazed about it as I use to be.
For me, yes. I got into this hobby back in early 2014 and have accumulated millions of miles from churning. I've been to 35+ countries in the last 4 years and that wouldn't have happened without all the miles I've racked up. Even now, almost 5 years after I got into the hobby, I still have a huge stash of points and miles that I can use.
I've slowed down a bit. Banks have gotten smarter about putting in rules to limit the amount of gaming the system that people can do. I still do it when able.
So for me, travel cards are still absolutely worth it. But I'm certainly not as crazed about it as I use to be.
#23
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Stepping back, OP, if you only fly two or three times a year, a 2% cash back card will be much better for you in general. If you and your spouse check bags on your flights, holding a Delta Gold card for a $95 fee may be worth it as well.
#24
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My advice for the past few years has been:
- Do you understand the churning game? If so, then pursue lots of cards & programs.
- Do you travel paid flights periodically (at least a few times a year) on an airline? Then get a credit card aligned with that program for some of its fringe benefits and to combine the points earning from flying & spending.
- None of the above? A cash-back card is your best bet nowadays.
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Agreed, but even when (2) applies, if you generally travel in coach class on domestic USA routes served by more than one carrier, it may be better to put most of your spending on the 2% cashback card, and use the airline affinity card primarily for benefits. Cash allows you access to more seat inventory than miles, -and- you are unlikely to net more than $0.02/mile in economy on competitive routes.
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Meanwhile, I doubt there is an unambiguous best. Do you value the 2 lounge passes with a United card more, or do you value the 10% back on miles redemptions (up to 10k a year) on AA cards more, or the $50 annual credit for DL purchases on DL cards more, or the 3x (rather than 2x) earning on AS flights as well as an annual Companion Fare (but with AS being only a "regional" airline) with the AS card? These benefits are so different, I don't see how anyone can rank them for anyone else.
And btw, sometimes for some things a non-airline card trumps an airline card. Amex DL cards earn 2x on DL purchases, but the Amex Gold card earn 3x on DL (and other airline purchases made directly with the airline), and MR points transfer 1 to 1 to DL! So you earn more DL miles on DL purchases by using the Amex Gold card (and then transferring to DL) than any DL card.
#29
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I would say the AMEX Platinum (Airline tee credit, Uber credits, pretty comprehensive lounge access) plus a branded airline card for the airline you fly most (mainly for free baggage, status qualification benefits). For me, that combo is the AMEX Platinum + AMEX Delta Platinum.
#30
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Like others have said. The airline specific cards are really only good for the signup bonus and the lounge/priority boarding/free bags... and that’s a pretty narrow benefit locking you into a specific carrier.
For the most part they are pretty garbage for putting any actual spend on.
Something like CSR or AMEX platinum lets you transfer to airlines, redeem through their portal or cash out. All with much better bonus spend categories
For the most part they are pretty garbage for putting any actual spend on.
Something like CSR or AMEX platinum lets you transfer to airlines, redeem through their portal or cash out. All with much better bonus spend categories