tmiw

Considering how difficult it apparently is to do NFC loyalty--or even integrate a barcode/QR code into Wallet/Google Pay--I'd honestly be okay with it if it were possible just to use it for loyalty (and use something else for payment). Of course, they'd rather you used it for both if at all possible, but there might not be many people willing to go for that.

rasheed

No, they have the QR loyalty now. Before they added the Pay option in the past few days, they offered a QR code for the loyalty information since earlier in the pandemic change. It is still an option if you Skip everything on the Pay and get to the Discount Code. You can take the screen shot into Wallet or Google Pay. However, I can't get the QR to work at SCO because I don't get access to a hand-held scanner option? Kroger still has the standard bar code as well in the app.

So, yes, you can use the QR loyalty then whatever payment method on top.

The main exception is those who are using the digital grocery service (pickup or delivery), the payment method becomes integrated.

Hawaiian717

Good to know. I’ll have to check that out. The magstripe on my Vons Club card stopped working so I’ve had to use my phone number and since I only shop there sporadically I usually forget if I used my cell phone or landline number.

storewanderer

That is okay. Safeway got the NFC going pretty well. They can humor themselves and try QR Code-based apps that hardly anyone will use all they want, given they accomplished the main order of business, getting NFC working, first. And don't forget they were about the first one to get that EMV working on their gas pumps too. Now that they have addressed the important things, they can address frivolous items like a QR code based Safeway Pay app. Unlike a number of other retailers, particularly the other two large retailers who are dominant in the grocery business and still do not support NFC except in one case in one Northwestern region, they had their priorities in the correct order.

diburning

They want to promote app usage as much as possible because some of the deals are manufacturer's coupons, which the company profits from.

Requires an optical hand scanner to read. A deck scanner scale uses a laser, so it will not work at self checkouts.

tmiw

The cashier at a gelato shop tapped my CSR on their Square reader tonight (which was facing her, of course). Better than not having contactless at all, of course, but it really should be customer facing.

Also, Dick's Sporting Goods is apparently using QC now (or possibly has for quite some time); there was a "confirm amount" type prompt after removing, followed by an immediate "approved" message on the display. The card read itself still took quite a while, though.

BTW, that weird Chevron here that uses Verifone inside and Wayne outside apparently supports EMV contactless for real now. The display said "insert or tap or swipe card" instead of (I think) just "insert or swipe", plus using Google Pay didn't need a signature this time. Still no EMV outside and presumably only MSD contactless when tapping. I'll also need to check tapping UNFCU next time to see if there's a PIN prompt. Here's the receipt for those curious:

storewanderer

Nothing weird about that. Many Chevrons have that combination of equipment- in my area in NV almost all of the ones associated with Jacksons Food Stores have that combination of equipment. Some of the independent ones have Gilbarco Pumps and Gilbarco Passport register (those all used to use the Nucleus Register and most also previously has Wayne pumps).

Slowly, Jacksons is turning EMV on. So far I've found here in NV 2 of their Chevron sites and 1 of their Shell sites with the EMV turned on and this is a recent development in the past couple of weeks (Wayne pumps/Verifone registers). Many other locations with the same exact equipment have not turned the EMV on yet.

Also went to an Arco outside Sacramento (BP site) with EMV at the pump and EMV Contactless inside. This is one of those rare credit accepting CA Arcos. Read pretty quick then after card removal zip code prompt comes up. Identical behavior to the EMV on Wayne Pump with Verifone Register at Sinclair and ExxonMobil I think all of them (BP, Exxon, Sinclair) run payments through a First Data system so that First Data processing system seems to be the one pushing all these zip code prompts with the EMV at the pump while the various other EMV at the pump systems (Kroger, Safeway, Chevron, Speedway, Shell) do not have that zip code prompt at least yet.

RedLight2015

Looks like Dutch Bros finally has contactless. Via the form of PayPal Ingenico RP457 readers. Their custom iPad POS software communicated with the PayPal reader and I just tap.

tmiw

I should clarify--the UI on the MX915 looks closer to Arco's UI than what's on most other Chevrons that I've seen around here (which have contactless disabled until the cashier pushes something on their end, among other differences).

Anyway, still no NFC payment at Costco other than the keyfob, but they're now indicating that the barcode scanner isn't working (despite actually emitting red light):

tmiw

And in a case of particularly bad timing, it looks like Costco is now beginning the EMV and contactless rollout at their pumps: https://www.reddit.com/r/Costco/comm...ve_at_the_gas/. Maybe next time I go fill up there, it'll be enabled (though I'm honestly surprised the one I went to yesterday didn't have it already as it's occasionally a test location for stuff, especially since they were already testing Costco Pay there).

scibot

I was at a Maverik back in August and it had those old Wayne readers sans the ctls readers. Well that same Maverik finally added those Magtek chip and contactless readers. I had to get my receipt inside which has all the chip info on it but I can confirm they do in fact support EMV contactless at the pump. The global AID is used and no cvm is used instead of cdcvm. The messaging on the screen is very confusing and told me twice to not forget to pay inside even though I paid at the pump. Also it seems that inside Maverik have gotten rid of the pin debit prompt on Visa debit cards via contactless and it now uses no cvm. Still the bugs are really bad as the first time I visited contactless was flawless but the 2nd time it was broken and froze up the whole pinpad. I switched to a self checkout and I tapped and it got stuck on Adventure Club Card and Debit Entered and the cashier had to come and back out of the finish and pay button and press it again and it finally went through. I'm guessing it has to do with the loyalty card being buggy. At least there is no pin prompt anymore on contactless..

Same at both of my local Costco gas stations as of yesterday but I'm sure its still rolling out. I will go check next week and see if it has changed or not.

tmiw

BTW, I saw a mention of Love's enabling EMV and contactless outside too. I know of one around here so it might be worth checking soon.

storewanderer

Love's, Pilot/Flying J, and Costco all use the same system for their pay at the pump so it makes sense they are all enabling at the same time...

Casey's also uses that system...

storewanderer

Yeah I went to Maverik with Chip at a different location (Gilbarco pumps with the Verifone readers) and ran a few trials. Tried PIN Debit Card via chip reader. I kept inserting card and it kept telling me to remove card quickly then see cashier. If I pressed cancel it immediately reset to the start screen. Eventually it held the card in and read chip and let me enter PIN or press enter to bypass but that message flashed on the screen for about 2 seconds then the screen went totally blank before I could respond on the keypad. Press enter to bypass resulted in a card release then loyalty card prompt then zip code prompt to which I entered 55555 and pressed enter and it went to "remove nozzle" so not even sure they check the zip code or maybe on the global debit AID that does not work so it approves regardless what you enter. Anyway, after that tried a second transaction this time again I had to insert and remove the card about 8 times before it finally held in the reader and then when I saw the enter PIN or press enter to bypass message flash on the screen then disappear I entered the PIN and that let the card release then loyalty prompt then remove nozzle prompt.

Such a screwed up system- at least they have the EMV Contactless working, that is all I will give them.

scibot

Interesting and are you 100% sure as that is an NCR Retalix system. Only Love's has ctls and chip working at the pump widely. Love's is also adding Flex Pay IV to all locations now as well as my local location had the older Gilbarco chip readers and now has IV. Clts at the pump at Love's is still msd only and I wonder if it's the same at Costco gas stations? EMV and contactless seems to still be rolling out as neither of my Costco gas locations have it yet. Casey's and Pilot on the other hand only have blinking ctls readers at the pump so they are dead and no EMV yet either.

Woah chip is far worse at the pump at Maverik then contactless is. For sure its so horrible the poor employees who have to deal with it..