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sdsearch Dec 12, 2013 1:40 pm


Originally Posted by architect1337 (Post 21953269)
I thought we were talking about the future?

For this to work, in the future, there will need to be high bandwidth 'over the air' network connections globally for all this to work. There will be no option to be 'offline'.

We're not there yet.

We're talking uninvented technologies then. No technology can reach everywhere in the world including deep inside buildings, in caverns (where there are tours you might want to pay for), parking structures including underground ones (where you might want to pay for the parking fee), etc. Even if satellite internet becomes super-affordable, that's still line-of-sight to the satellite. Going "over the air" when there is no air (just lots of rock, concrete, etc) doesn't help.

And the question is, will a tehnology that works wireless to everywhere in the world including underground and deep inside all buildings be developed while you and I are still alive? :)

takeshi74 Dec 13, 2013 3:20 pm


Originally Posted by youngmoneyhack (Post 21922145)
What would the perfect card look like in terms of rewards, design, agreement, etc.?

No such thing. The perfect solution is always a subjective matter.

architect1337 Dec 13, 2013 4:48 pm

You forgot to mention space. What if I was on the moon and wanted to make a payment there. I'd be stuck.

I do understand where you are coming from though. You still don't have EMV cards in the US as default so I understand your scepticism.

Here in Europe, we're looking to the future, past EMV. I guess if I visit the US, I'd still need to use quaint ol cash.

sdsearch Dec 13, 2013 6:03 pm


Originally Posted by architect1337 (Post 21962191)
Here in Europe, we're looking to the future, past EMV. I guess if I visit the US, I'd still need to use quaint ol cash.

Actually, that brings up a simple wish that I have for the future of credits: As universal acceptance of them worldwide as I have in the US.

In the US (admittedly with cards issued there), I am able to mostly live in a "cashless society". I just about never run into real restaurants (I don't use food trucks) that don't take credit cards in the US, but I run into plenty of them in many countries in Europe (including some in major cities such as Zurich). I go for many months not using cash for absolutely anything except my apartment building's laundry machines (without having to go out of my way to find a merchant that takes credit cards, the way I sometimes have to do in parts of Europe).

And then in Japan, once you get out of the big cities (for example in the Mount Fuji "Five Lakes" area), it's hard enough to find hotels that take credit cards (its only a small subset of them that does).

TravelerMSY Dec 16, 2013 4:55 pm

Not every technology *needs* to be disrupted. Visa/MC/bank debit payment systems work reasonably well for the vast majority of users. For everyone else, there's always cash.

TravelerMSY Dec 16, 2013 4:57 pm

And the EMV thing is a reaction to variations in laws about liability for unauthorized charges, not a feature for the end-users.

youngmoneyhack Dec 27, 2013 12:41 pm


Originally Posted by TravelerMSY (Post 21977324)
Not every technology *needs* to be disrupted. Visa/MC/bank debit payment systems work reasonably well for the vast majority of users. For everyone else, there's always cash.

Well I'd argue the Target breach has shown that basic card security is desperately lacking in the U.S. Apparently a simple EMV chip and pin would've prevented any potential losses in the first place. Now that fraudsters know just how vulnerable U.S. merchants and cards are, I predict more frequent and damaging attacks like this through the weak and outdated merchant IT systems.

MaineCoon Dec 27, 2013 8:14 pm

OP, what is fintech? Fitness based on tech? Facebook into eches?

Been working in SV for ages, never heard anything like that.

Must be a new slang.

Aus_Mal Dec 27, 2013 10:48 pm


Originally Posted by youngmoneyhack (Post 22036223)
Well I'd argue the Target breach has shown that basic card security is desperately lacking in the U.S. Apparently a simple EMV chip and pin would've prevented any potential losses in the first place. Now that fraudsters know just how vulnerable U.S. merchants and cards are, I predict more frequent and damaging attacks like this through the weak and outdated merchant IT systems.

Nope, this wouldn't have prevented any losses. Card data (even without the chip details) does still have value as some ATMs and credit card machines are not yet equipped with chip readers and fall back to magnetic stripes.

LoneTree Dec 27, 2013 10:57 pm


Originally Posted by Aus_Mal (Post 22038707)
Nope, this wouldn't have prevented any losses. Card data (even without the chip details) does still have value as some ATMs and credit card machines are not yet equipped with chip readers and fall back to magnetic stripes.

I think youngmoneyhack meant the entire EMV system, not just on the card. i.e. credit card machines as well.


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