Oct 18, 2013, 8:43 am
Last edit by: pgary
50,000-mile offer
Earn 20,000 miles after your first purchase and payment of the annual fee,
then an additional 30,000 award miles after you make $5,000 in purchases w/in first 90 days.
60,000-mile offer:
Same as the above 50K offer, except an additional 40,000 award miles after you make $5,000 in purchases w/in first 90 days. To see this obscure obscure offers details, scroll down to Welcome Bonus in the T&C.
Earn 20,000 miles after your first purchase and payment of the annual fee,
then an additional 30,000 award miles after you make $5,000 in purchases w/in first 90 days.
- $89 annual fee, not waived
- no foreign transaction fees
- annual companion ticket
- 2 Lufthansa Business Lounge vouchers annually
60,000-mile offer:
Same as the above 50K offer, except an additional 40,000 award miles after you make $5,000 in purchases w/in first 90 days. To see this obscure obscure offers details, scroll down to Welcome Bonus in the T&C.
Barclays (USA) Lufthansa MasterCard - Revived - 50K after $5K spend
Jul 3, 2016, 11:55 am
#406
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: Hyatt Glb, MR Plat
Posts: 2,576
Seriously???? The only reason I applied for a 2nd card was to keep the first set of points from expiring!
I actually called Miles and More prior to applying to get more information about how miles expire. The representative told me the only way to keep those miles expiring (the ones i got from card#1) was to A) open a cc and use it every month. B) something along the lines of booking a ticket using points and then cancelling it by paying a small fee-which would extend the life of the miles by a few months.
I actually called Miles and More prior to applying to get more information about how miles expire. The representative told me the only way to keep those miles expiring (the ones i got from card#1) was to A) open a cc and use it every month. B) something along the lines of booking a ticket using points and then cancelling it by paying a small fee-which would extend the life of the miles by a few months.
Re-read your post, and I doubt you correctly understood the CSR, or they didn't explain it correctly. The only way to keep miles from expiring is to use the card every billing period. I really doubt that getting another card will keep the miles from the first card from expiring. Using the new card every billing period will keep the miles from the NEW card from expiring, not the miles from the first card. I'd like your explanation to be correct, but I don't think it is...
Jul 6, 2016, 6:12 pm
#408
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NY
Programs: AA, KLM, United, Amex, Chase, Hilton
Posts: 262
most of the value comes from redeeming business or first class. for example, i redeemed 52,500 + $319 in taxes for a business class flight from Athens to NYC (with a connection in Frankfurt). I was flying in August, which is peak season, so that ticket was probably worth $7,000, so to me that's worth it. They are both pretty long flights, especially the Frankfurt - NYC leg (~8 hours), so that's a great redemption for me.
Jul 6, 2016, 9:35 pm
#409
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: LAX
Programs: United Silver, Marriott Lifetime Titanium, Hilton Diamond, IHG Diamond
Posts: 988
This card works well for me and I'm planning my 2nd Eurotrip next year thanks to it.
Jul 7, 2016, 5:50 am
#411
Join Date: May 2014
Location: SoCal
Posts: 2,164
Excellent 1st post, I agree with you, i think this card is the worst for anyone who doesn't understand the value of travel in J to Europe, I think you are better off getting a different card.
Jul 7, 2016, 6:43 am
#412
Join Date: Oct 2014
Programs: All of them
Posts: 1,664
Jul 7, 2016, 9:52 am
#413
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 8
"Unfortunately we could not find any suitable fares for your chosen flights and/or classes of travel. Please try your search again and/or choose alternative flights or travel days or another class of travel. Please also note, where applicable, the limited sales period for special offers. Our Service Center will also be happy to help you. (5685 - 2201)"
Maybe I should try to search for business class instead? What did I miss here?
What's that?
I even tried Europe to Europe such as Rome to Athens, very expensive surcharge not even in peak season
Last edited by EmailKid; Jul 7, 2016 at 2:39 pm Reason: Multiquote - back to back to back posts
Jul 7, 2016, 10:10 am
#414
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: NY
Programs: AA, KLM, United, Amex, Chase, Hilton
Posts: 262
CPM is cost per mile, so you take the net cost of the flight (after taxes on the award) and divide by the number of miles. The higher the CPM the better, which happens on biz and first class flights bc of their cost.
Jul 7, 2016, 10:33 am
#415
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 8
I'm not sure about intra-european flights but there is great value in biz or first FROM europe TO the US. You may have to be flexible with dates and sometimes seats open up a few weeks before, sometimes they open way in advance. I agree that paying 30k miles + $200 in taxes for an economy ticket isn't the greatest of redemptions if the flight costs $600 (or whatever) because that's only a $0.013/CPM. However, paying 52.5k miles + $300 in taxes for a business class ticket that costs $5,000 is a great value ($0.09/CPM).
CPM is cost per mile, so you take the net cost of the flight (after taxes on the award) and divide by the number of miles. The higher the CPM the better, which happens on biz and first class flights bc of their cost.
CPM is cost per mile, so you take the net cost of the flight (after taxes on the award) and divide by the number of miles. The higher the CPM the better, which happens on biz and first class flights bc of their cost.
Still learning, but I do like United/Southwest points a lot as they are very easy to use and often great value.
Jul 7, 2016, 10:53 am
#417
Join Date: Oct 2014
Programs: All of them
Posts: 1,664
I tried many options - from USA to Europe big surcharge, USA to Central/south american not available, and USA to Asia - I get the following message no matter which date I put on:
"Unfortunately we could not find any suitable fares for your chosen flights and/or classes of travel. Please try your search again and/or choose alternative flights or travel days or another class of travel. Please also note, where applicable, the limited sales period for special offers. Our Service Center will also be happy to help you. (5685 - 2201)"
Maybe I should try to search for business class instead? What did I miss here?
"Unfortunately we could not find any suitable fares for your chosen flights and/or classes of travel. Please try your search again and/or choose alternative flights or travel days or another class of travel. Please also note, where applicable, the limited sales period for special offers. Our Service Center will also be happy to help you. (5685 - 2201)"
Maybe I should try to search for business class instead? What did I miss here?
Lufthansa's website only searches their own award inventory, or their affiliate airlines (swiss and a few others). For flights within Americas, you have to search ANA or United website for flights on United and other Star Alliance carriers, then call Lufthansa to book.
For example, just randomly searched IAH to HKG and discovered that for business class tickets none of the Star alliance carriers seem to have a surcharge, or at least it was very tiny. You could use Lufthansa miles to book those if there's space.
Last edited by littlewinglet; Jul 7, 2016 at 11:19 am
Jul 7, 2016, 11:17 am
#418
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SEA
Posts: 2,556
At the bottom of each Flyertalk page there is a link to Glossary.
In the Glossary it states that J and F indicate "Booking class - use varies depending upon airline".
Generally, however, J means business class;
F means first class; Y means economy.
In the Glossary it states that J and F indicate "Booking class - use varies depending upon airline".
Generally, however, J means business class;
F means first class; Y means economy.
Jul 7, 2016, 11:26 am
#419
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 8
Lufthansa's website only searches their own award inventory, or their affiliate airlines (swiss and a few others). For flights within Americas, you have to search ANA or United website for flights on United and other Star Alliance carriers, then call Lufthansa to book.
For example, just randomly searched IAH to HKG and discovered that for business class tickets none of the Star alliance carriers seem to have a surcharge, or at least it was very tiny. You could use Lufthansa miles to book those if there's space.
For example, just randomly searched IAH to HKG and discovered that for business class tickets none of the Star alliance carriers seem to have a surcharge, or at least it was very tiny. You could use Lufthansa miles to book those if there's space.
Thanks to you and Muji for the explanations!
Jul 7, 2016, 11:30 am
#420
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: SEA
Posts: 2,556