Barclays (USA) Lufthansa MasterCard - Revived - 50K after $5K spend
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#451
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,647

LH economy and even business class are nothing special. Their FC is pretty good, and the First Class Terminal in Frankfurt is phenomenal. We will be doing that for the second time next Summer, thanks to having gotten the LH card twice with the 50K bonus.
But LH FC takes 85K miles, and 35K is just a drop in the bucket for that.
#452
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 33
If one holds a Miles & More credit card issued by a European bank, then gets the US Barclay version, then cancels the European version...do the miles earned from the European one expire?
Assume a few months of overlap with the two cards being open at the same time with monthly charges on both cards.
Assume a few months of overlap with the two cards being open at the same time with monthly charges on both cards.
#453
Join Date: Dec 2015
Location: DCA
Programs: AAdvantage Platinum, SPG/Marriott/HHonors Gold, *A Gold (SAS EuroBonus)
Posts: 762
Looks like the first link in the Wiki still takes you to a 50k offer.
#454
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: CA
Posts: 1,053
My LH/Arrivals apps' hard inquiries were combined as one per CK
#455
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: WI
Programs: A bunch
Posts: 471
With the number of miles it takes to get a LH award ticket, I'm not spending $89 and doing $1K of spend for a mere 35K miles. 
LH economy and even business class are nothing special. Their FC is pretty good, and the First Class Terminal in Frankfurt is phenomenal. We will be doing that for the second time next Summer, thanks to having gotten the LH card twice with the 50K bonus.
But LH FC takes 85K miles, and 35K is just a drop in the bucket for that.

LH economy and even business class are nothing special. Their FC is pretty good, and the First Class Terminal in Frankfurt is phenomenal. We will be doing that for the second time next Summer, thanks to having gotten the LH card twice with the 50K bonus.
But LH FC takes 85K miles, and 35K is just a drop in the bucket for that.
I guess if Redcard was still around I would prefer the 50k offer

#456
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,647
We just booked LH FC from Frankfurt to Newark, changing in Munich since they wouldn't give out the non-stop to JFK on miles. Three observations:
There is far less availability for a FC award than even a few months ago. We got lucky and only had to book just one day sooner than we would have liked. But there was nothing else open in FC for a week in either direction. Non-stop to NYC was only available in economy and business. And this is booking for next September, so a full 11 months in advance.
While around half of the dates in August thru the end of booking in late Sept had FC availability for 2 seats, almost all of that is for flights departing between 8 and 10 am. Which is pretty useless for anyone who is flying LH FC primarily to be able to use the fantastic LH FRA FC TERMINAL. Getting up very early in order to only have breakfast there, and missing out on the wonderful Filet Mignon in the restaurant, not to mention the plethora of @$200 a bottle whiskies, rums and cognacs at the bar, would be a real shame. Especially since the food in the Terminal is so much better than what they serve on the plane.
The latest flight we could get to EWR is at 14:15. And looking at every day from Aug 1st thru end of Sept booking, only 3 or 4 days had that available. Everything else in FC is early morning.

The combination of taxes and fees are $355 per person !
The website was showing FC award availability FRA-MUC-EWR. But when I tried to book it online I kept getting an error message. It turns out that FRA-MUC does not have a FC, only Y and J. So the website wouldn't book it. I had to call the Miles and More service center. And the number for that on the LH website for "tech support" actually gets you the LH reservations department who can't help at all. After several calls I finally got the correct number for MM, which is 1-800-581-6400. They booked it for me without an additional booking fee, since online booking wasn't an option.
We booked our flights with miles from our second Miles and More card sign up bonuses, plus SPG points. The SPG points were transferred on Sunday, and posted to our MM accounts on Wed morning. The advantage of using SPG points, instead of doing extra spend on our MM cards, is that 20K SPG transfers as 25K miles.

Based on the two points listed above, both the declining availability of FC, and the high cost in $, we will most likely not be getting another MM card.

#457
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: WI
Programs: A bunch
Posts: 471
In that case, absolutely go for the 30K card. Otherwise you will end up 20K miles stranded in your MM account, which won't do you much good.
We just booked LH FC from Frankfurt to Newark, changing in Munich since they wouldn't give out the non-stop to JFK on miles. Three observations:
There is far less availability for a FC award than even a few months ago. We got lucky and only had to book just one day sooner than we would have liked. But there was nothing else open in FC for a week in either direction. Non-stop to NYC was only available in economy and business. And this is booking for next September, so a full 11 months in advance.
While around half of the dates in August thru the end of booking in late Sept had FC availability for 2 seats, almost all of that is for flights departing between 8 and 10 am. Which is pretty useless for anyone who is flying LH FC primarily to be able to use the fantastic LH FRA FC TERMINAL. Getting up very early in order to only have breakfast there, and missing out on the wonderful Filet Mignon in the restaurant, not to mention the plethora of @$200 a bottle whiskies, rums and cognacs at the bar, would be a real shame. Especially since the food in the Terminal is so much better than what they serve on the plane.
The latest flight we could get to EWR is at 14:15. And looking at every day from Aug 1st thru end of Sept booking, only 3 or 4 days had that available. Everything else in FC is early morning.
The combination of taxes and fees are $355 per person !
The website was showing FC award availability FRA-MUC-EWR. But when I tried to book it online I kept getting an error message. It turns out that FRA-MUC does not have a FC, only Y and J. So the website wouldn't book it. I had to call the Miles and More service center. And the number for that on the LH website for "tech support" actually gets you the LH reservations department who can't help at all. After several calls I finally got the correct number for MM, which is 1-800-581-6400. They booked it for me without an additional booking fee, since online booking wasn't an option.
We booked our flights with miles from our second Miles and More card sign up bonuses, plus SPG points. The SPG points were transferred on Sunday, and posted to our MM accounts on Wed morning. The advantage of using SPG points, instead of doing extra spend on our MM cards, is that 20K SPG transfers as 25K miles.
Based on the two points listed above, both the declining availability of FC, and the high cost in $, we will most likely not be getting another MM card.
We just booked LH FC from Frankfurt to Newark, changing in Munich since they wouldn't give out the non-stop to JFK on miles. Three observations:
There is far less availability for a FC award than even a few months ago. We got lucky and only had to book just one day sooner than we would have liked. But there was nothing else open in FC for a week in either direction. Non-stop to NYC was only available in economy and business. And this is booking for next September, so a full 11 months in advance.
While around half of the dates in August thru the end of booking in late Sept had FC availability for 2 seats, almost all of that is for flights departing between 8 and 10 am. Which is pretty useless for anyone who is flying LH FC primarily to be able to use the fantastic LH FRA FC TERMINAL. Getting up very early in order to only have breakfast there, and missing out on the wonderful Filet Mignon in the restaurant, not to mention the plethora of @$200 a bottle whiskies, rums and cognacs at the bar, would be a real shame. Especially since the food in the Terminal is so much better than what they serve on the plane.
The latest flight we could get to EWR is at 14:15. And looking at every day from Aug 1st thru end of Sept booking, only 3 or 4 days had that available. Everything else in FC is early morning.

The combination of taxes and fees are $355 per person !
The website was showing FC award availability FRA-MUC-EWR. But when I tried to book it online I kept getting an error message. It turns out that FRA-MUC does not have a FC, only Y and J. So the website wouldn't book it. I had to call the Miles and More service center. And the number for that on the LH website for "tech support" actually gets you the LH reservations department who can't help at all. After several calls I finally got the correct number for MM, which is 1-800-581-6400. They booked it for me without an additional booking fee, since online booking wasn't an option.
We booked our flights with miles from our second Miles and More card sign up bonuses, plus SPG points. The SPG points were transferred on Sunday, and posted to our MM accounts on Wed morning. The advantage of using SPG points, instead of doing extra spend on our MM cards, is that 20K SPG transfers as 25K miles.

Based on the two points listed above, both the declining availability of FC, and the high cost in $, we will most likely not be getting another MM card.

I think September is tougher availability to Germany due to Oktoberfest.
I debated transferring spg points to get my remaining miles but glad I didn't due to the merger, im dumping all mine to marriot for travel package instead!
#458
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,647

Last edited by RobertHanson; Oct 5, 16 at 4:42 pm
#459
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
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LH isn't cutting back on F awards, availability is roughly the same. What you are noticing is the fleet changes: the 744s have no F cabin anymore.
#460
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: YVR, HNL
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M&M doesn't charge a phone booking fee, calling them doesn't generate any additional costs. Only certain discounted awards (that usually are offered only for C & Y) can be booked online.
LH isn't cutting back on F awards, availability is roughly the same. What you are noticing is the fleet changes: the 744s have no F cabin anymore.
LH isn't cutting back on F awards, availability is roughly the same. What you are noticing is the fleet changes: the 744s have no F cabin anymore.
#461
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,647
When I called in the CSR said you can't book that online since it's two classes, but she could book it for me.
BTW, she offered to put it on hold for me to think over, but the rest of my trip was already booked and I needed this flight, so I just went ahead to paid for it on the spot.
#462
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,647

#463
Join Date: Dec 2012
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That's exactly what I posted. Online it showed FC FRA-MUC-EWR, but in fact the FRA-MUC flight doesn't have FC, only J and Y, so it wouldn't book online. It just gave me a error message along the lines of "fare not available".
When I called in the CSR said you can't book that online since it's two classes, but she could book it for me.
BTW, she offered to put it on hold for me to think over, but the rest of my trip was already booked and I needed this flight, so I just went ahead to paid for it on the spot.
When I called in the CSR said you can't book that online since it's two classes, but she could book it for me.
BTW, she offered to put it on hold for me to think over, but the rest of my trip was already booked and I needed this flight, so I just went ahead to paid for it on the spot.
#464
Moderator: Budget Travel forum & Credit Card Programs, FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Aug 2002
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#465
Moderator: Lufthansa Miles & More, External Miles & Points Resources

Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: MUC
Programs: LH SEN
Posts: 35,566
LH is dropping F from all A330 stationed in MUC in phases.